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To: nmh

I suggest you do a search for the online article called “Mary and the Moslems” by Bishop Fulton Sheen.

It’s excellent and he makes the case that the intransigence of the Moslems has only responded favorably to the Christian message when the statue of Our Lady of Fatima was on display in Islamic societies. Apparently the Koran does speak favorably of Mary, the Mother of Jesus, and she is considered the 2nd holiest woman to have ever lived after Fatima, a daughter of Mohammed.


39 posted on 11/19/2010 5:43:39 PM PST by Gumdrop
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To: Gumdrop

Thankfully - Mary and I are covered in the same blood and are therefore holy. No qualification to the word ‘holy’ is needed as the work of the cross is complete.


40 posted on 11/19/2010 5:50:02 PM PST by Frapster (ugh)
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” ... she is considered the 2nd holiest woman to have ever lived after Fatima, a daughter of Mohammed.”

Okay, so what does Fatima, a duaghter of Mohammed have to do with Catholicism? Where the link up?


41 posted on 11/19/2010 6:42:58 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Gumdrop
Something just doesn't jive and I don't care WHO wrote it.

Muslims do NOT recognize Christ as the Messiah. Mary gave birth to him. So if they don't think much of Christ, in fact they see Him as a FRAUD, how could Moslems think highly of Mary? It's not logical. The mother of a “fraud” would not be highly thought of since Muslims see Jesus as a fraud.

Moslems do NOT believe that a Messiah would die. Like the Jews they wanted to see their Messiah right the world and have a certain stature. Jesus came here in a manner opposite of what they wanted.

Muslims also believe that a Messiah wouldn't die. That wouldn't make sense to them. They don't believe that Jesus rose from the dead. They will claim he never really died or someone else died in His place and they switched bodies. Muslims simply do NOT recognize Mary or Jesus.

Muslims see Ishmael as the “blessed” one; not Isaac. I can understand why Muslims would REJECT a Sarah doll. Sarah was clearly a Jew and according to the Koran, Ishmael was blessed born of Hagar. Ishmael is considered the father or the Arab nation. BTW, God also promised Ishmael a “nation”.

Genesis 21:17-18

[17] And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.

[18] Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation There should not be ANY common ground between Catholicism and Islam. Whoever you quoted isn't living in reality and looking to fabricate a bridge between two different faiths where there really is NOT common ground - with the hope of "peace" and tolerance. The truth is Islam doesn't want "tolerance". Islam wants submission to Islam.

42 posted on 11/19/2010 6:56:54 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Gumdrop
Something just doesn't jive and I don't care WHO wrote it.

Muslims do NOT recognize Christ as the Messiah. Mary gave birth to him. So if they don't think much of Christ, in fact they see Him as a FRAUD, how could Moslems think highly of Mary? It's not logical. The mother of a “fraud” would not be highly thought of since Muslims see Jesus as a fraud.

Moslems do NOT believe that a Messiah would die. Like the Jews they wanted to see their Messiah right the world and have a certain stature. Jesus came here in a manner opposite of what they wanted.

Muslims also believe that a Messiah wouldn't die. That wouldn't make sense to them. They don't believe that Jesus rose from the dead. They will claim he never really died or someone else died in His place and they switched bodies. Muslims simply do NOT recognize Mary or Jesus.

Muslims see Ishmael as the “blessed” one; not Isaac. I can understand why Muslims would REJECT a Sarah doll. Sarah was clearly a Jew and according to the Koran, Ishmael was blessed born of Hagar. Ishmael is considered the father or the Arab nation. BTW, God also promised Ishmael a “nation”.

Genesis 21:17-18

[17] And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.

[18] Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.

There should not be ANY common ground between Catholicism and Islam. Whoever you quoted isn't living in reality and looking to fabricate a bridge between two different faiths where there really is NOT common ground - with the hope of "peace" and tolerance.

The truth is Islam doesn't want "tolerance". Islam wants submission to Islam. Islam has nothing in common from Ismael on from any form of Christianity since they view Ishmael leading blessed nation.

BTW, Ishmael's descendants have ALL and I mean ALL of them have been ENEMIES of the Jews. Moslems also believe that Ishmael's descendants settled in Mecca. This is also a contradiction to what the Bible states.

Genesis 25:12-18

[12] Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's handmaid, bare unto Abraham:

[13] And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,

[14] And Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa,

[15] Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah:

[16] These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations.

[17] And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people.

[18] And they dwelt from Havilah unto Shur, that is before Egypt, as thou goest toward Assyria: and he died in the presence of all his brethren.

Ishamel's descendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur is around the area of present day Palestine and near the border of Egypt. Ishmael married an Egyptian so I don't get the connection to Islam and Mecca when they clearly were not living in that area. Also note that Hagar was a Hamite and Egyptian.

43 posted on 11/19/2010 7:28:03 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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