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L.A. contrail a missile launch? Retired general thinks so (op-ed)
Daily Inter Lake.com ^ | Sunday, November 21, 2010 2:00 am | Updated: 8:13 am, Sun Nov 21, 2010. | Jim Cash, retired brigadier general, U.S. Air Force

Posted on 11/21/2010 11:31:21 PM PST by TigersEye

Sliding silently under the mud, muck and fog of national politics, is a current event that makes Bill Clinton’s excursion into the world of elderly sex look tame in comparison. This time the nation’s national security is truly threatened in my opinion, and it involves not only a weak president with limited problem-solving ability, but leadership at the highest levels in the Pentagon as well. The American people would do well to demand a full investigation by an unbiased group, and let the chips fall where they may.

I am referring to the “missile shot” taken off the California coast recently, and the lame response by NORAD, the Pentagon and the White House itself.

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In my opinion, there is absolutely no doubt that what was captured on video off the coast of California was a missile launch, was clearly observed by NORAD, assessed by a four-star general within minutes, and passed to the president immediately. That is the way the system works, and heads fall if there is a failure. This is one of the most important tenets of national defense and its sole purpose of protecting the American people. Even the smallest failure in this system gets intense scrutiny at the highest level.

Now, the question that still must be answered is why NORAD’s muted response was simply that North America was not threatened, and later our government approved the lame excuse that the picture recorded was simply an aircraft leaving a contrail. This decision was made far above the four-star level, and because the system in place demands it, was made by the president himself.

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KEYWORDS: californiamissile; chat; contrail; jetcontrail; missile; missilemystery; mysterymissile; tinfoilbrigade; ups902
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To: =8 mrrabbit 8=

Would not be related to the claimed huge missile launch, though. Those would be small surface to surface exercises.


101 posted on 11/22/2010 7:59:33 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: catnipman
Uh, what about the singular several hundred foot long fiery flame shooting out of the end of the flying object?

Can you post a picture, or link to a picture of this several hundred foot long flame?

102 posted on 11/22/2010 7:59:33 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Ransomed

The video was shot from a moving helicopter. Probably not gonna be a continuous recording. Gonna be chopped up quite a bit.


103 posted on 11/22/2010 8:02:19 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: UCANSEE2

Flaming 747 contrail...

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Northwest-Airlines/Boeing-747-451/0289105/L/


104 posted on 11/22/2010 8:02:19 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: catnipman

If you believe the contrail started at ground level instead of the horizon, then you are indeed stuck...


105 posted on 11/22/2010 8:03:34 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: artichokegrower

Screw em, we need to take this country back if its not too late, out of debt and lower the budget to 1950 levels, congress meets in a homeless shelter, defund the friggin beast..sell off federal parks, whole departments closed, bankrupt the federal government before asking the people to pay one more dime, make income, estate, capital gains taxes illegal..they have to go..


106 posted on 11/22/2010 8:05:11 AM PST by aces
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To: piytar
Missile launch.

Missile Launch

(photo source: http://www.thehulltruth.com/dockside-chat/315488-mystery-missile-launched-off-coast-california.html )

107 posted on 11/22/2010 8:07:59 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SkyPilot

And all this time I thought you were familiar with airplanes.

Your screenname threw me off.


108 posted on 11/22/2010 8:10:15 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

I’ve seen enough comments from old time Freepers I respect and also decent experts on both sides of this debate that I *still* don’t know if I’m seeing it wrong. Even as I stare at it more.

I was pretty sure it was a missile. My bet was a low tech islamonut piece of garbage fired from a shipping container and intended to land somewhere - anywhere - in the US, but that went the wrong way.

Now? No idea.


109 posted on 11/22/2010 8:10:39 AM PST by piytar (0's idea of power: the capacity to inflict unlimited pain and suffering on another human being. 1984)
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To: justa-hairyape
Very good points.

It is also possible the Kremlin brought down the Polish President's jet with a form of EMP.

Below is a graft of cascading EMP weaponry effects:


110 posted on 11/22/2010 8:13:25 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never "free")
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To: catnipman
Uh, what about the singular several hundred foot long fiery flame shooting out of the end of the flying object?


111 posted on 11/22/2010 8:14:01 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: justa-hairyape

Well, it was reported that the guy stayed on the object for around ten minutes. So surely there would be at least some shots of the lingering smoke plume? Why would he stop filming as the object was still spewing smoke?

“Gonna be chopped up quite a bit.”

I can see editing for a news report. But editing from only a little bit of what was filmed? With no shots of the object after the boost stages? Why release a video and call it “raw” when it was edited?

Freegards


112 posted on 11/22/2010 8:14:34 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: justa-hairyape
Rivero was a master of conspiracy. I got so tired of arguing his conspiracies that I created a couple of threads based on recent (November 1999) news stories just to show him how easy it was to get folks to believe ridiculous theories. I used exact phrases from some of his threads.

Here they are:

  Float plane crashes in river 

  3 killed in N.J. plane crash 

113 posted on 11/22/2010 8:14:42 AM PST by TankerKC (Part of the Soros funded Blog Police.)
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To: McGruff

And that is why so many believe it's a missile.

It's known as an optical illusion.

A high altitude plane, coming from beyond the horizon will appear to be going more or less vertical.

The Sun, or Moon, when rising over the ocean horizon,do the same thing.

TAKE A LOOK at the picture you posted, and first tell yourself the object is going away from you. Then look at it and tell yourself the object is coming towards you.

114 posted on 11/22/2010 8:19:34 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: TankerKC
Think he was a step beyond master of conspiracy. Fairly certain he was leaking conspiracies some people wanted leaked. He had images that no one else had. Probably worked for a lot of different groups. And then there was that story about the FBI approaching him to disrupt a Disneyland event, and he turned them down. Dont think the FBI likes getting turned down too often :>
115 posted on 11/22/2010 8:21:23 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

“I just scratched my head and laughed. Funny stuff. “

It doesn’t have to make sense. That’s the part that you have to accept before you can cross over from “Why don’t these people get it?” into, as you call it “Funny stuff”.

Once you’re there, it can be pretty amusing.

I have to continually struggle to remind myself.


116 posted on 11/22/2010 8:26:36 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Just mythoughts; piytar; tx_eggman
the whole episode makes no logical sense to me

There is only one explanation that explains both the missile launch, the secrecy, the nonconcern by the US goverment, and the lack of acknowledgement by the US government...

US based sub launch for the purposes of satellite track and kill. SAT missed. Missile landed safely on test range in the atolls somewhere in the pacific.

US does not want to acknowledge a SAT miss.
117 posted on 11/22/2010 8:29:00 AM PST by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: Ransomed
Think the observations below were of the CBS Helicopter. Exact location (Los Angeles Harbor) and almost exact time. Watch the altitude. Was moving around quite a bit. You can verify this on the Bob Hope Flight Monitor. Must be at 80 mile setting.

11/8/2010

17:07:57 General Aviation 3,600 Feet Appears Los Angeles Harbor Reported as plane. Hardly moving. Just turning. Cessna or Helicopter.

17:08:56 General Aviation 3,800 Feet Still over Los Angeles Harbor Must be Helicopter. Very slight horizontal movement to East.

17:09:57 General Aviation 3,900 Feet Still over Los Angeles Harbor Very slight horizontal movement to West.

17:10:58 General Aviation 4,700 Feet Still over Los Angeles Harbor Almost no horizontal movement. Either Helicopter or Goodyear Blimp :>

17:11:00 General Aviation 3,800 Feet Still over Los Angeles Harbor Quick sudden drop in Altitude.

17:11:21 Drops off Display. Gone.

17:11:48 General Aviation 4,000 Feet Appears over Los Angeles Harbor Moved just a little south.

17:12:27 General Aviation 2,600 Feet Still over Los Angeles Harbor Sudden drop. Almost no horizontal movement.

17:12:50 General Aviation 3,700 Feet Still over Los Angeles Harbor Climbed and moved a little to east-northeast.

17:13:45 General Aviation 3,100 Feet Now south Long Beach Harbor Had moved slightly to east.

17:14:13 Drops off monitor.

118 posted on 11/22/2010 8:29:25 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: RFEngineer
FYI - I am a missiler who know with 100 % certainty it was a missile. Lighting physics from the sun is undeniable. My own conclusion, not someone elses. But I also know what Michael Rivero was all about.
119 posted on 11/22/2010 8:32:26 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: UCANSEE2

“Missile launch.”

No...no, no no.

The first is a Lear Jet taking off from just behind the trees and engaging his autopilot. You can see the course correction right there at the beginning of the arc.

The second is a Pitt-special aerobatic bi-plane with smoke generator. Notice that they conveniently snap a picture right before the hammer-head stall maneuver to make it deliberately appear to be a missile.

It’s all a matter of perspective.


120 posted on 11/22/2010 8:32:45 AM PST by RFEngineer
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