Skip to comments.Lincoln the Tyrant: The Libertarians' Favorite Bogeyman
Posted on 12/07/2010 11:31:03 AM PST by presidio9
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The War of Southern Stupidity
Get thee back to Europe where you belong. Your radical opinions are no longer welcome here.
Frum-like attempt to drive a wedge between the tea party and republicans....
True, but thanks to the Federal Military Complex, our own Coast Guard and Navy got you safely back to San Diego, and you had all the booze and cold showers you wished for on the way. And, might I add, you probably weren't whipped more than once or twice, or forced to share a bed with a dead nieghbor.
There is nothing in the Constitution that precludes a state being expelled from the Union against its will either. Would you say that was a possibility?
Indeed, the fact that the Congress accepted Texas' specific reservation of that right in admitting it to the union belies any assertion to the contrary.
I believe that you are mistaken on that.
That said, that the article does not mention the way the South was paying 70% of the taxes shows that the author had no intention of a reasoned and balanced presentation.
Perhaps the author didn't meniton it because it isn't true?
Lincoln: father of Big Federal Government and the midwife for 100 years of segregation. It didn’t take long for many of the freed slaves to realize that they were far from free and that this newfound freedom had signifiantly diminished their economic lot in life. A freedom won through reason and the voluntary decision of the Southern populace would have given these poor folks a chance for real integration into society. As it was, the sanctimonious Northerns condemed the former slaves to squalid urban ghettos. The urban elites - the same crew which imposed the welfare state as a means of perpetuating the economic slavery of the poor - attempted to reach utopia be stepping on the backs of those they claimed to assist. Not much has changed since 1863.
A British slave ship, and the relevance to this thread is?
Within their own borders and so long as their actions don't violate the Constitution.
Too bad we didn't aquire Guantanamo Bay until after the the illegal Spanish American war. Another one that we started just to be the bastards of the world that we've always been, and then covered up in the history books, by the way.
Slavery was the prime motivator for the Southern side. Maintaining the Union was the prime motivator for the Northern side.
How so? Specifics please.
Nah, this was all settled in the movie Gettysburgh. The dialogue between Lieutenant Thomas D. Chamberlain and the Confederate prisoner explained everybody's motivations. It was about slavery. And preserving the Union. And state's rats (rights). See? Everybody's right. No struggle.
Lieutenant Thomas D. Chamberlain:
I don't mean no disrespect to you fighting men, but sometimes I can't help but figure... why you fightin' this war?
Confederate prisoner: Why are you?
Lieutenant Thomas D. Chamberlain: To free the slaves, of course. And preserve the Union.
Confederate prisoner: I don't know about other folk, but I ain't fighting for no darkies one way or the other. I'm fightin' for my rights. All of us here, that's what we're fighting for. [pronounces it 'rats']
For 10 years now you have been one of my private heros on this website. Time to take my feelings public. I don’t care what they say.
That's like saying the U.S. was at fault for not settling the fallout from the Pearl Harbor attack by diplomacy. The confederacy chose war. Lincoln fought the war that they forced on him.
Did you happen to notice that was a BRITISH slave ship, not American?
Should Lincoln (or a previous President) invaded Britain?
Are you aware that the SLAVE TRADE using American ships had been abolished long before the Civil War? Did you also happen to know that before that New England pay-rolled and provided the slave ships, not the South?
If anyone chose war it was the "Goon" himself, read his second inaugural again, Para. 2.
Abortion is the slavery of the 21st century and I am an abolitionist.
Abortion is not slavery. It is infanticide, the slaughter of innocents for self satisfaction. Abortion is the greatest crime of all. It destroys the future by destroying the present. There is no greater evil than abortion. Even slavery protected the life of the enslaved.
In 1861 the South saw slavery as an institution that would last for generations. Kind of hard to promote reason and a voluntary decision to end slavery under those conditions.
On the contrary: Some down the line Conservatives like myself (I attended the first Tea Parties in NY) wave moved away from the Tea Party when it became infested with libertarians. I respect the utility of the Tea Party, but as libertarianism appeals most to those who are incapable of thinking things through, can't have anything to do with them. Parse the recent comments of intellectuals like Ann Ann Coulter or Mark Levin, and you'll see that they are doing them same. The Tea Part is useful for getting ideas out, but the last thing we need is a third party candidacy in 2012. BTW, FR is a Conservative not a Tea Part website.
You are aware that the movie "Gettysburg" was based on a novel, aren't you? And that conversation most likely didn't occur?