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She is responsible for the actions of the 16 year old. She should legally be able to determine the conditions of the girls visitations.
1 posted on 12/12/2010 5:15:55 AM PST by marktwain
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Been there. Not with the gun but been there. Sad for the mom. Where’s the dad?


2 posted on 12/12/2010 5:20:03 AM PST by Mercat
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To start with, when I was a 16 year old girl I wouldn’t have been allowed to date a 21 year old MAN. When I was a teenager of dating age I was only allowed to date boys my age that were still in high school. Of course, I was a teenager in the late 60’s and early 70’s and my parents (both of them) knew my every move but I did grow up in a very conservative relious home.


3 posted on 12/12/2010 5:28:15 AM PST by Melinda in TN
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He is 21, I’m sure statutory rape charges are pending, I will just hold my breath.


4 posted on 12/12/2010 5:28:19 AM PST by ConservativeChris
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I suspect most people who read this will find it mildly amusing and wonder why the mother didn’t just get with the program—maybe hand the kids a box of condoms and wish them a good time as they sped off. That’s the only reason I can imagine for indicting her and letting the boyfriend off the hook. (Or maybe it was the evil shotgun she used.)


6 posted on 12/12/2010 5:33:29 AM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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When our two girls were 16 - a loooong time ago now - if some 21 yo guy tried to *date* them, he’d never see 22.


7 posted on 12/12/2010 5:34:37 AM PST by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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I would like to be on her jury. In my humble opinion,the prosecutor is the onr who needs to be on trial. For stupidity.


11 posted on 12/12/2010 5:55:27 AM PST by sport
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The county prosecutor needs to be thrown out of office and then run out of town. I’d bet a box of doughnuts that he’s a big, fat anti-gun liberal.

A warning shot into a pervert’s truck tire is perfectly reasonable to me.


12 posted on 12/12/2010 5:55:49 AM PST by sergeantdave
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"Allenbaugh used his foot and 'put my weight into the door a little bit.'

That was the time to have chambered a round and pointed the weapon with intent to discharge.

14 posted on 12/12/2010 5:57:28 AM PST by azhenfud (The government is not best which secures life and property-there is a more valuable thing-manhood.)
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Precisely.

Had he been a ‘stranger’ she would have been applauded as preventing a home invasion with possible rape & murder.

Monitoring ‘boy friends’ used to be the responsibility of fathers. Today, for whatever the reason, mothers are required to be providers and protectors.


16 posted on 12/12/2010 5:59:51 AM PST by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God 's redemption.)
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Any opportunity to “take down” a law-abiding gun owner who happens to fire a weapon for a damned good reason and the leo’s are right on top of them to lock them up. Kids have all the rights now. Why isn’t the 21-year-old being prosecuted for breaking and entering and assaulting the mom—what is using your 50-pound weight advantage to force open a door and overpower an adult woman if it isn’t assault?


20 posted on 12/12/2010 6:08:45 AM PST by 4Runner
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Look, let the little twit go. She’ll be knocked up in a week and then she’s on her own. Get rid of her. Bad spawn. It happens. When she’s forty, and a hag, and living on the streets with fifteen diseases she may reflect on what a moron she was. Probably not!


22 posted on 12/12/2010 6:10:41 AM PST by Doc Savage (Stay Thirsty My Friend!!)
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16-21? Nope, too old.


26 posted on 12/12/2010 6:22:07 AM PST by jocon307
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One other comment.... what mom should have done was to remove everything from the girl’s room except a mattress and a blanket and one change of clothes. Only food in the house - oatmeal and milk. The girl will run away and the mom will have to report that. Then just let go. At 16, too late to change her. She will probably come back. It may take ten years but she’ll probably come back.


28 posted on 12/12/2010 6:24:12 AM PST by Mercat
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This isn’t “love”, this is control and possession.

This “man” sounds obsessed with this teenager and unwilling to take “NO” for an answer. If he’ll bully the Mom to get his way, it’s just a matter of time before he exerts full physical and mental control over the girl. Do you think he will ever let her go, peacefully and normally?

What a sad thing when a stalker or sicko comes into your life. I don’t know if sending the girl away to a secure boarding school or taking her and fleeing would even save her at this point. Seems like being a “normal”
16 yr old worried about book reports, passing algebra, and prom gowns, is way over.


29 posted on 12/12/2010 6:25:16 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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I don't get why the boyfriend isn't charged with something? He admitted he forcefully entered the house. He admitted he restrained the mother 3 times. HE'S DATING A 16 YEAR OLD!

I really hope they get the girl to admit they're having sex (and you know they are or that 21 year old would be long gone!) so he can be charged with statutory rape. Too bad the mom hadn't made more of a legal paper trail before this incident with a restraining order or something.

30 posted on 12/12/2010 6:34:29 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Palin 2012...YOU BETCHA!.)
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Now, high school physics and chemistry teacher and mom Karen Vondemkamp faces two felony counts for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and one felony count for aggravated battery in January trial even though, she said she fired into the ground.

Shouldn't it something more like unlawful discharge of a weapon?

Allenbaugh admitted in his own testimony to forcefully entering her home and restraining Vondemkamp three times, yet he was never charged.

Hmmm.

She said she wonders what happened to her rights as a parent.

Gone the way of a lot of other rights.

But one has to wonder. In many place parents can be charged and jailed for the behavior of their 16 YO child. But at the same time, they are legally limited to essentially no power to regulate the child's behavior.

Realistically, short of tying one up, not much can be done to force a 16 YO to comply.

32 posted on 12/12/2010 6:35:33 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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Last time I checked, an unrelated adult using force to remove a child from a parent and then fleeing with said child is still considered kidnapping. I do believe as a parent I’d contact the F.B.I.


40 posted on 12/12/2010 7:02:10 AM PST by Lazarus Starr
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Hhmmm... No mention of a "Dad" in this story. There will be no 21 year-olds dating my 16 year-old daughter. Period.

Easy for me to say now... She's currently only 7.

41 posted on 12/12/2010 7:05:29 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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A 21 yr. old man taking a 16 yr. old girl somewhere against her mother's wishes is called "kidnapping".

The district prosecutor is an ass.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

49 posted on 12/12/2010 8:22:08 AM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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It is so sad when you read about a kid out of control. It is obvious that the Mom is trying to keep some order (she isn’t just going on with her life and ignoring it all). Perhaps military school that boards the kids. I believe there are several in our southern states that you can send both boys and girls. If the girl is 16 then Mom still has some control. The distance between the two would help matters and little Miss Frisky may not have the energy to do much after some hard school work coupled with physical exercise. IMHO. Just a thought.


55 posted on 12/12/2010 9:58:35 AM PST by momtothree
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