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National Review Online ^ | 15 December 2010 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 12/15/2010 12:31:51 PM PST by ScottinVA

Abandoned farms, Third World living conditions, pervasive public assistance -- welcome to the once-thriving Central Valley.

The last three weeks I have traveled about, taking the pulse of the more forgotten areas of central California. I wanted to witness, even if superficially, what is happening to a state that has the highest sales and income taxes, the most lavish entitlements, the near-worst public schools (based on federal test scores), and the largest number of illegal aliens in the nation, along with an overregulated private sector, a stagnant and shrinking manufacturing base, and an elite environmental ethos that restricts commerce and productivity without curbing consumption.

During this unscientific experiment, three times a week I rode a bike on a 20-mile trip over various rural roads in southwestern Fresno County. I also drove my car over to the coast to work, on various routes through towns like San Joaquin, Mendota, and Firebaugh. And near my home I have been driving, shopping, and touring by intent the rather segregated and impoverished areas of Caruthers, Fowler, Laton, Orange Cove, Parlier, and Selma. My own farmhouse is now in an area of abject poverty and almost no ethnic diversity; the closest elementary school (my alma mater, two miles away) is 94 percent Hispanic and 1 percent white, and well below federal testing norms in math and English.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; broke; ca; california; debt; entitlements; immigration; invasion; spending; thirdworld; vdh; welfare
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This is a sad account of how socialism, unbridled third-world invasion and gross mismanagement have destroyed California.
1 posted on 12/15/2010 12:31:54 PM PST by ScottinVA
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To: ScottinVA

What is happening to Kalipornia is entirely predictable given all of those self-imposed circumstances.


2 posted on 12/15/2010 12:34:24 PM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: ScottinVA

California is doomed..Thread # 9,573


3 posted on 12/15/2010 12:36:09 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit.)
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To: dragnet2
California is doomed..Thread # 9,573

With many more to come.

4 posted on 12/15/2010 12:38:21 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: ScottinVA

Cubafornia?


5 posted on 12/15/2010 12:39:52 PM PST by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: ScottinVA

Everyone in the country ought to have to read this and ask themselves if this is what they want for their state. We are being turned into a third world country before our very eyes, and only a few have noticed.


6 posted on 12/15/2010 12:40:06 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: ScottinVA

How many times can it get doomed?

lol...


7 posted on 12/15/2010 12:40:18 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit.)
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To: ScottinVA; Jim Robinson
Jim:

You're in an ideal position as a Fresno resident (and as our fearless leader) to assess whether the NRO article is accurate or not.

Are the perceptions of Victor Davis Hanson accurate?

I had always thought that the Central Valley was the better part of California compared to the communist coastal regions. I know that Bakersfield seemed nice and sane compared to Los Angeles during a recent visit but I've never been to Fresno.

8 posted on 12/15/2010 12:42:59 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: dragnet2
How many times can it get doomed?

Judging by the actions of the majority of its voters and its political leaders, it always seems to be one short.

9 posted on 12/15/2010 12:44:58 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: dragnet2

Can’t be stated enough. Sadly, some people might just now be starting to pay attention.

Well, at least until the next bong hit.


10 posted on 12/15/2010 12:46:22 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: ScottinVA
It is almost as if the more California regulates, the more it does not regulate

How true it is!!

I have lived in or visited several socialist/communist countries - and that is exactly the case. Everything is regulated or illegal, but nothing is controlled. The more that is regulated, the more chaos actually results.

11 posted on 12/15/2010 12:47:19 PM PST by PGR88
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To: La Lydia

I agree.. if the rest of the country would like to resist what seems to be an inexorable trend toward third-world status, the time to act is now.


12 posted on 12/15/2010 12:47:56 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: ScottinVA

Good post!


13 posted on 12/15/2010 12:50:08 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: ScottinVA

Is this the area where the jackwagons turned off the water to the fields because of a frikkin’ fish?


14 posted on 12/15/2010 12:50:13 PM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: re_nortex
VDH has for years lived in the area he's writing about.

Urban California is liberal. Small town California is conservative, but only because its illegal alien community is either too illiterate or has not yet screwed up the courage to vote.

15 posted on 12/15/2010 12:51:53 PM PST by skeeter
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Thank you!!


16 posted on 12/15/2010 12:52:47 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: dragnet2

Not doomed, just as many left wing hell-holes are not doomed it is just a lousy place to live and getting worse, as it slips deeper and more irreversibly into liberalism.


17 posted on 12/15/2010 12:54:56 PM PST by ansel12 (Lonnie, little by little the look of the country changes, because of the men we admire.)
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To: PGR88

Socialisms goal is a society where anything not forbidden is compulsery.


18 posted on 12/15/2010 12:55:57 PM PST by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: ScottinVA

I grew up in the central valley and now several of its counties rank as the poorest in the country. Very revealing article. How sad.


19 posted on 12/15/2010 12:56:31 PM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: ScottinVA
So there is a surreal nature to these protests: [against deportation] something like, “Please do not send me back to the culture I nostalgically praise; please let me stay in the culture that I ignore or deprecate.”

Spot On. The liberals aren't the only ones who are hypocrites.

20 posted on 12/15/2010 12:57:00 PM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: re_nortex

Forgive me for the butt in, but I have lived here in Ca. for 50 years, and what VDH says is every word the truth.


21 posted on 12/15/2010 12:57:48 PM PST by ecomcon
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To: theDentist

The same.


22 posted on 12/15/2010 12:58:58 PM PST by ecomcon
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To: skeeter
Small town California is conservative, but only because its illegal alien community is either too illiterate or has not yet screwed up the courage to vote.

What about the aliens with papers? Have the "legal" Mexicans in small town California become Conservative and pro-America or do they remain liberal and favor entitlements?

My direct experience is limited to Bakersfield in central California. My perception was that a good proportion of those of Mexican heritage did assimilate and take on American values. Most of them were nice to me and smiled when I said howdy.

On the other hand, the Mexican descendants in Los Angeles seemed to have a constant chip on their shoulder. Most of them sneered and seemed to be rather hostile.

23 posted on 12/15/2010 12:59:46 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: ScottinVA

>How odd that we overregulate those who are citizens and have capital to the point of banishing them from the state, but do not regulate those who are aliens and without capital to the point of encouraging millions more to follow in their footsteps. How odd — to paraphrase what Critias once said of ancient Sparta — that California is at once both the nation’s most unfree and most free state, the most repressed and the wildest.<


24 posted on 12/15/2010 1:01:22 PM PST by Califreak (November 2008 proved that Idiocracy isn't just a movie anymore)
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To: theDentist

Yes.


25 posted on 12/15/2010 1:02:17 PM PST by Califreak (November 2008 proved that Idiocracy isn't just a movie anymore)
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To: ScottinVA

I do not spend my travel dollars in California nor do I buy municipal issued in California.

Let’s starve these California Communists and just maybe the populace will revolt and remove these Marxists from office.


26 posted on 12/15/2010 1:03:24 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: ScottinVA

I also posted this in NRO. I’ve spent most of my adult life in California, and I have lived and worked in both Californias. For several years, I lived in the San Joaquin Valley and the Sacramento Valley, and didn’t realize how rich and enjoyable that experience was until I had spent nearly 15 years in the San Francisco Bay area. Drawing contrasts does not begin to define each region. It was the imagery of the Big Valley and the Sierras that defined California for me. I knew and lived and embraced diversity without knowing that it was some sort of label. Farming was the dominant industry for this state. Other than winter skiing, most urban, i.e. coastal, dwellers have no conception of what lies beyond the coast range, except it’s a microcosm of “flyover” country. It is the liberalism of the coastal regions that has slowly yet increasingly eroded the overall state. It has become ridiculously and insanely expensive to remain in the Bay area, yet I can’t go home to the valley, because what I knew and loved is gone. The liberals captured California, lot, stock and barrel in November, going against the tide of the rest of America. This time, California was no longer the trend setter. The ilk of Jerry Brown & Co. in Sacramento along with the ilk representing California in Washington will take this once fine state further down into the dark pit. The state will go broke, and there will no way to bail it out. As just a minor yet poignant example, when traveling in Arizona a few months back, I could not help but notice the beautiful roadways and how smooth the car felt. California used to be like that, in more ways than smooth highways. Now, it’s just one pothole after another, and all the band aids in the world are not going to fix what’s wrong here. No, like a growing number of Californians, when retirement comes in the next couple of years, I will leave this state. I will have a bitter longing for what once was yet has been decimated for good.


27 posted on 12/15/2010 1:04:41 PM PST by Ranger Warrior
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To: Ranger Warrior

This is becoming somewhat of a problem for me. As my wife keeps wanting me to take her to California. Is it really that dangerous like I keep hearing? She wants to go to Cambria.


28 posted on 12/15/2010 1:07:37 PM PST by MrInvisible
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

I do not spend my travel dollars in California nor do I buy municipal BONDS issued in California.

Let’s starve these California Communists and just maybe the populace will revolt and remove these Marxists from office

(corrected)


29 posted on 12/15/2010 1:08:07 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: re_nortex; Jim Robinson
Are the perceptions of Victor Davis Hanson accurate?

By definition. Breaking news if not.

30 posted on 12/15/2010 1:08:14 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: re_nortex

He’s right about the conditions in the small farming towns around the valley. They’ve always been poor and somewhat rundown, but more recently they have degraded to third world status as the population becomes majority illegal alien and the schools are overfilled with their children. And I have heard of long time growers giving it up. I’d say his article is accurate.

But generally, the rooted people of the Central Valley are fairly conservative. Even so, Fresno State is infested with liberals preaching the godless Marxist gospel. It’s my understanding that Victor Davis Hanson was one of the few conservatives there.


31 posted on 12/15/2010 1:10:06 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: GeronL

I’m not sure how this state of affairs happened — I’ve voted in every election since I was eighteen, and I don’t remember the establishment of an apartheid state Mexican residents ever being on the ballot. But it happened on my parents’ and my watch. I should have screamed louder. So mea culpa.

What I don’t understand is the continued hostility of my fellow Americans. Why isn’t any of your invective reserved for the invaders? And why isn’t your impulse to help us rather than deride us?

The Federal Government (YOUR government, I don’t care what state you live in... so, in fact, YOU) is just as responsible as California for the Mexican colonization of a sovereign American state. They just chose to invade us first, not Rhode Island or Kansas or Georgia. Do you think your state would have reacted any differently?

When the Twin Towers fell, we were all New Yorkers. We didn’t get mad at New Yorkers for causing all this trouble and allowing terrorists to invade our air space, murder thousands, and wreak havoc. But in the case of California, the Federal government has failed utterly in its first and most important charge, protecting Americans on American soil from foreign invasion. And it’s your responsibility too, Rhode Island and Kansas and Georgia. You aren’t living in a sovereign country anymore. Wishing us out of the union because we’re the Mexican invasion Ground Zero so don’t have to do anything about it doesn’t change the fact that you’ve lost YOUR country, too.

So you just sit back and snark about “Kalipornia” while we’ve been beaten, humiliated, and driven out of our homes. What would you have done differently? And what would you do about it now? I’d really like to know.


32 posted on 12/15/2010 1:17:27 PM PST by Blue Ink
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To: Blue Ink

“When in the course of Human Events ...”


33 posted on 12/15/2010 1:22:19 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: MrInvisible

Cambria is a nice place to vacation, and a short drive to Paso Robles...the temperatures can be 30-40 degrees different (100 degrees in Paso and 60 degrees in Cambria) but it is pretty...Hearst Castle is also nearby.


34 posted on 12/15/2010 1:25:24 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: ScottinVA

Bump for later read


35 posted on 12/15/2010 1:30:13 PM PST by hattend (The meaning of the 2010 election was rebuke, reject, and repeal. - Sarah Palin)
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To: wac3rd

I appreciate that info. But is that area overrun by illegals, gangs, crime, etc.? Is it dangerous to get there? Sorry if I sound weird saying this but I’m a Texas boy and I’ve never been to CA.


36 posted on 12/15/2010 1:31:51 PM PST by MrInvisible
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To: MrInvisible

Oh for Pete’s sake, it’s like any other area of the country.There are dangerous areas and nice areas.I don’t feel particulary unsafe.By all means bring your wife out here. Use common sense and stay out of ghettos and run down places. Stay in family oriented and nicer neighborhoods. Yes there are plenty of them - no matter what you hear on the internet. The same things apply everywhere lock your doors, stay out of unlit places at night etc.I grew up in Texas and have lived at different times in the Pacific Northwest, Wyoming, New York and now just outside Fresno. There are nice people and crazy people everywhere. Not everybody out here is a liberal.The San Joaquin Valley btw is pretty conservative politically, just like Orange County.


37 posted on 12/15/2010 1:37:01 PM PST by sanjoaquinvalley (Longtime Lady Lurker)
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To: re_nortex

“Please do not send me back to the culture I nostalgically praise; please let me stay in the culture that I ignore or deprecate.”


This is a brilliant line. Of course, the answer is they are just using their ethnicity to extract treasure and power from the guilt ridden white man. Of course, some of us have no guilt.


38 posted on 12/15/2010 1:40:51 PM PST by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: PGR88

Everything is regulated or illegal, but nothing is controlled.


Yup, I’ve noticed this too. Strict laws for citizens. No laws for illegals. Two Americas all right.

This crap has to stop.


39 posted on 12/15/2010 1:43:45 PM PST by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: ScottinVA

Diversity is our strength.


40 posted on 12/15/2010 1:44:52 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: Deb

KAL-EEE-FORN-EE-A and VDH ping.


41 posted on 12/15/2010 1:45:06 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (I'm with Jim DeMint ... on the fringe!)
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To: Blue Ink

You make excellent points.

We have de facto open borders and it has been that way for a long time while the political elite in both parties has winked and nodded at the invasion, which makes them traitors in my book.

However, don’t be so hard on the rest of America, because the politicians in the middle of the country are basically saving us from a wholesale amnesty and a complete sell out of our national sovereignty and territorial integrity.

The sad thing is it might be too late for America.

Once the liberals have finished destroying California, all the illegals will flock like bandits to every other part of the US and dilute and change the demographics forever. Because once the demographics change to the point where both parties have to pander to the Mexican fascists and Latino lobbies, the floodgates will be wide open and instead of de facto open borders we will have de jure open borders.

We will become Norte Mexico and we have nobody to blame but ourselves when we become a corrupt, 3rd world hellhole.

Guess what? There is no place for us to go and colonize.

Americans don’t have the luxury of colonizing by the millions like the illegals do, because if we did do it, the international outcry would be fierce and they WILL shoot us at the border.

In the final analysis, you are right. We have handed our country over to foreign criminals on a silver platter in the name of diversity, political correctness and cheap labor.

But don’t worry, we got troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, South Korea, Germany and Japan to save them from the foreign hordes.


42 posted on 12/15/2010 1:46:54 PM PST by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: AFreeBird
Can’t be stated enough.

No fear...This is California is doomed: Thread #9,573.

43 posted on 12/15/2010 1:49:11 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit.)
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To: GeronL

Hell man ... this is why we need open borders. Such a success story in California.


44 posted on 12/15/2010 1:53:56 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: Ranger Warrior

I have a good friend who moved with her husband when they closed his practice about five yrs ago. They are very happy living here. Their children live in GA. All is well.


45 posted on 12/15/2010 1:55:25 PM PST by ncpatriot
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To: MrInvisible

No, you would probably fly into either Bakersfield, Burbank or Santa Barbara airports (all small, but Southwest goes to Burbank) and drive up the coast.

Burbank is part of Los Angeles, in the San Fernando Valley and only a quick ride to Pasadena or Hollywood, if you want to “see” that part of the world. Frankly, LA is a pit, and you really aren’t missing anything, unless the wife wants to see Brad Pitt’s house in Beverly Hills or something like that...LA is famous for pockets, so you can literally be blocks from criminal gangs and never know it...Toluca Lake, Santa Monica, parts of Burbank, Malibu, Brentwood, Beverly Hills, Westwood, Old Town Pasadena are decent...Hollywood is mainly tattoo parlors and the Chinese Theatre, although they did build a mixed-use development there...

Anyway, get a rental car and drive to Cambria, it’s a pretty drive, and not scary at all...Cambria is probably 75% white and very safe. You can play golf, go to vineyards, the beach, restaurants, shops...it’s a quiet town, and cool at night when the fog rolls in.

I hope you have fun, let me know if you need suggestions on any place, FRiend.


46 posted on 12/15/2010 1:58:53 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: ScottinVA
Atlas Shrugged coming to us all, courtesy of DemonRats and RINOs.
47 posted on 12/15/2010 2:01:10 PM PST by libstripper (uite eff)
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To: ScottinVA
This is a sad account of how socialism, unbridled third-world invasion and gross mismanagement have destroyed California.

Yep. Maybe I will turn out the lights when I am finally able to leave the state.

48 posted on 12/15/2010 2:10:30 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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RE: “This is becoming somewhat of a problem for me. As my wife keeps wanting me to take her to California. Is it really that dangerous like I keep hearing? She wants to go to Cambria.”

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I have been in L.A. since the early fifties and traveled most of the state over the decades. Is it all different in CA since the good old days, yes, and in mostly “not so good” ways.

But... there’s a lot left to like, still. You would be visiting, not moving — so go ahead and take your wife to Cambria — a charming little town and area north of San Luis Obispo —

While you are at it, drive north on Highway 1 past Hearst Castle (you could take a tour!), see the incredible beauty of Big Sur, Carmel and Monterey. Do not miss that Monterey Peninsula. Have a burger at Nepenthe in Big Sur and gaze out over the Pacific.

Are the coastal areas leftist bastions? Yes! But it’s not dangerous to visit, for heaven’s sake.

If you want a slightly more conservative experience, head south from L.A. into Orange County, tour around Newport Beach, then go south thru Carlsbad and into La Jolla, San Diego, etc. Hey, tour the Midway ship in S.D.! Lots of military people around SD County and don’t miss the Del Coronado Hotel on isle of Coronado — lots of retired military living there — gorgeous. Have lunch at the Del.

Mountains? Try a trip from L.A. up thru the Owens Valley, first passing thru Red Rock Canyon into charming Lone Pine (take a peek at Mt. Whitney), Bishop and up to Mammoth — Owens Valley/Inyo/Mono counties fall into the red-state style and I got into a great conversation with the guy who owns the fishing boat rental business at Lake Mary, the largest of the Mammoth Lakes. He informed me that the area is, aside from some of the rich leftists who own homes in Mammoth, decidedly ‘on the right.’

I like CA — always have — to this day am happy to return to Ca/L.A., as bad as it can be at its worst, when coming back from a trip elsewhere.

Again, bring your wife to CA, visit Cambria and everything else that appeals — you’ll be fine.


49 posted on 12/15/2010 2:13:25 PM PST by CaliforniaCon
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To: theDentist
Is this the area where the jackwagons turned off the water to the fields because of a frikkin’ fish?

Si.

50 posted on 12/15/2010 2:21:18 PM PST by muleskinner
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