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Why we still can't watch live TV online
CNN ^ | 17 Dec 2010 | Mark Milian

Posted on 12/17/2010 12:35:01 PM PST by smokingfrog

What's the difference between the big screen in your living room, the smaller screen on your laptop or the tiny one in your pocket?

Size aside, there's quite a difference, media executives say.

To many, it's a mystery why we can't easily watch online broadcasts of the TV signals that are transmitted by networks over the air, on cable or via satellite.

Even Bryan Perez, the senior vice president for NBA Digital, admits, "It's a challenge to explain."

The simplified answer is that various media companies have a financial stake in where and how an episode of "Mad Men" can be aired. Networks must weigh the tradeoff between sacrificing viewers on one medium for another and also risk straining their lucrative relationships with cable TV companies.

But Time Warner Cable and Comcast are dipping their toes in the internet-video pool. Comcast is testing a new service that brings Web video and social networks onto the TV screen, according to a report in the Wall Street Journal.

In virtually all of these negotiations, coming to an agreement over streaming live video is no quick task. In addition to the cable and satellite providers, broadcast networks have their own contracts and input, and so do the sports leagues.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; Technical
KEYWORDS: webtv
Wall Street Journal article
1 posted on 12/17/2010 12:35:02 PM PST by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog
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2 posted on 12/17/2010 12:37:25 PM PST by smokingfrog (Do all the talking you want, but do what I tell you.)
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To: smokingfrog

I watch live TV online all the time via my SlingBox.


3 posted on 12/17/2010 12:38:21 PM PST by Ozone34 ("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
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To: smokingfrog

Every time a new technology comes along the media and entertainment industry acts like they just saw a spider in the room and try to stamp it out. Eventually they are drug kicking and screaming into making more money by using the new technology as opposed to resisting it.


4 posted on 12/17/2010 12:39:08 PM PST by Lost Highway (I don't know what the world may need but a V8 engines a good start for me)
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To: Ozone34

You can also watch the NFL Sunday Night game on your computer.


5 posted on 12/17/2010 12:39:26 PM PST by dfwgator (Welcome to the Gator Nation Will Muschamp)
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To: Ozone34

Any channel you want?


6 posted on 12/17/2010 12:40:23 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: smokingfrog

Of course what’s good about being able to watch TV online is that I don’t have the kids barging in and seeing what Dad is watching, a lot of those shows are not suitable for kids, and I am not comfortable with them being on the big TV.


7 posted on 12/17/2010 12:42:48 PM PST by dfwgator (Welcome to the Gator Nation Will Muschamp)
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To: Ozone34

They’re a great little box. I just wish they’d quit “upgrading” the software. I run an old, old version and it’s much better than the newer, fancier versions.


8 posted on 12/17/2010 12:43:27 PM PST by FourPeas (From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. Ja 3:10)
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To: dfwgator

Seems to me if you streamed it you could cut out the broadcaster’s ad sales group and save yourself a ton of cash.

Imagine if the producers of Mad Men told AMC to pound sand when their contract is up. The produced it and streamed it over the net. Still with commericals and available for a limited time.

Seems to me the audience would flock to them, and they control the ad time.

Its all about the benjamins.

The thing about the TV biz is that everyone is so freaking greedy it makes your eyes bleed. I used to work in it, and it really is annoying if you have the least bit of self respect.


9 posted on 12/17/2010 12:44:16 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Don't taze my junk bro.)
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To: Ozone34

I used to watch Fox News on TikiLive all the time, but for some reason they don’t have it any more. I think Fox made them remove it, but I don’t really understand why. Seems like they would get more viewers than they would normally have that way.


10 posted on 12/17/2010 12:45:25 PM PST by smokingfrog (Do all the talking you want, but do what I tell you.)
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To: smokingfrog

What nonsense!

I am in India at the moment, and am able to watch most of the local private news channels online for free.

The problem certainly isn’t technical.

http://www.ndtv.com/video/live/channel/ndtv24x7

And here’s CNN’s India channel:

http://ibnlive.in.com/livetv/


11 posted on 12/17/2010 12:46:02 PM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

Ageed, not a technical proble. Many networks now carry pressers live...


12 posted on 12/17/2010 12:49:01 PM PST by Dansong
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To: rockrr
Any channel you want?

Yeah. My AT&T U-verse box is connected to the SlingBox which is connected to my home network which is connected to the Internet. There's a browser plug-in that brings up the video screen and a virtual remote control device that allows you to operate your cable box. There's an IR-blaster that sits on the cable box that sends the remote control signals.

13 posted on 12/17/2010 12:49:30 PM PST by Ozone34 ("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
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To: James C. Bennett

Not a technical problem?

Someone tell us about the quality of the video as delivered on the interet. Let’s hear bits per second. I can’t imagine today’s internet giving the picture and sound quality that over-the-air, cable and satellite give.

Nevertheless I’m interested in bringing internet TV to my television set. What internet connection speed is required? How good are those boxes that are dedicated to bringing an internet channel to your regular TV?

My grand design is to get rid of Dish (too expensive), watch the local channels with an antenna which I do now, and use internet TV for other stuff. Also I use Netflix.


14 posted on 12/17/2010 12:58:08 PM PST by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: smokingfrog

correction, FROM THE UNITED STATES. Other countries already do live streaming.


15 posted on 12/17/2010 12:59:26 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: smokingfrog
Why would anyone want to?

Television/Cable TV is run by the state, and is nothing but lies and propaganda...

16 posted on 12/17/2010 1:11:33 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit.)
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To: dragnet2
"lies and propaganda..., that's it!

You & Lost Highway are spot on!!

17 posted on 12/17/2010 1:18:25 PM PST by de.rm (Bang, bang, . . bang. Shhh=Bush, the elder, E. Howard Hunt, LBJ, Mrs, Edgar Hoover)
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To: smokingfrog

I’ve been watching FOX news here in Russia on www.wwitv.com


18 posted on 12/17/2010 1:19:08 PM PST by Cowboy Bob (Obama has demonstrated to the world the failure of Affirmative Action)
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To: smokingfrog

I wish Fox would let people just buy FNC for the computer. It’s the only thing I want to see that is on the cable, and frankly, I’m about to cut the cable and just will have to do without fox.


19 posted on 12/17/2010 1:27:11 PM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

You’re the best!


20 posted on 12/17/2010 1:28:33 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: frposty; E. Pluribus Unum
Lot's of people are doing that already. If you can get good local TV reception, the picture quality will probably be better than that of cable or Dish (you're getting the feed straight from the TV station, not re-encoded by an intermediate party).

See here for where we were just discussing this very thing.

21 posted on 12/17/2010 1:29:18 PM PST by whd23 (Every time a link is de-blogged an angel gets its wings.)
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To: Ozone34
I have one Slingbox in San Diego, and one in Tampa Florida.
Wonderful gadgets! Both are old, original Slingbox Classics.
I have an HTC Ozone phone (Verizon) which runs Windows 6.5.
I get great TV on my phone all the time. My phone is also wifi. We travel a lot in our motorhome, and this setup means we haven't had to invest in a satellite receiver for the Winnebago yet. I can get internet and/or TV coverage most everwhere we go, either cell or wifi.
I also invested in a Sling Catcher for our big screen TV at home in Florida.
With this we can get the San Diego channels on our TV in Florida.
Go Chargers!
22 posted on 12/17/2010 1:35:43 PM PST by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: smokingfrog

I can’t figure out why anyone would want to watch tv on something that fits in your hand or that is as close as a monitor usually is.??


23 posted on 12/17/2010 1:38:14 PM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Ozone34

What I never could figure out is why a computer pull a signal out of the air and display it. I am running wireless right now.


24 posted on 12/17/2010 1:45:20 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Lost Highway

Yes.

The technology is far beyond what the ‘executives’ (including many politicians who try to write laws for ... and judges who try to adjudicate ...).

It is quite easy to attach a laptop to one of the new LCD TVs with either the regular vga monitor cable or HDMI cable.

It is quite easy to watch TV on a pc if one installs a PCTV card.

And, there are websites that actually do ‘broadcast’ live TV events/programs. [Of course, the industry considers them illegal and tries to ... {see politicians and judges in above commentary}.]


25 posted on 12/17/2010 2:24:02 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Ozone34

I have the original sling box hooked up to old fashioned analog cable without a seperate tuner. The cable company is taking a channel or two from me every year, I expect them to completely shut off analog anytime now.


26 posted on 12/17/2010 2:26:16 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: frposty

I watch Netflix via a Roku box which streams the video from my router/cable Internet.

I originally watched some of the Netflix streams via a laptop hooked to a 32” LCD TV.

The quality of the laptop-to-tv stream was cloudly and had some buffering issues. The quality via the Roku box is very comparable to a regular cable TV broadcast. (I have the highspeed cable which is 12-18 Mbps speed.)


27 posted on 12/17/2010 2:30:05 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

Why would you be limited to the computer monitor? My TV will accept HDMI or RGB from a computer. Not only that, I have a streamer hooked up to the TV which lets me stream video from the computer to the TV without using wires if I want to.

Even my Blu Ray player will stream video from my computer, play youtube, Netflix and several pay-per-view services.

The reason they don’t want to release content on the internet is because they know it will be competing on the TV with their major clients, the broadcasters and cable companies.


28 posted on 12/17/2010 2:35:07 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: frposty

I have a LG BD570. It will stream video from the computer. Play video files directly. Play Netflix, youtube, Cinema Now, Roky and the free Divx channel.

I pay $10/mo for the Netflix but no other service or cable, I have more TV than I care to watch.


29 posted on 12/17/2010 2:37:18 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: dangerdoc

I use IVI (http://www.ivi.tv/) You get all the locals for NY, SEA, LA and a few others. It is worth the $5 trial.


30 posted on 12/17/2010 3:39:43 PM PST by Dacula (Proud husband of a Breast Cancer survivor.)
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To: Dacula

Looks interesting but I’m picking up most of that stuff for free with my antenna in full HD. I’m surprised that they are allowed to carry the network stuff. Is it only live streaming or can you pick up old shows, it may be worth the price if I can watch something when I want instead of setting the recorder.


31 posted on 12/17/2010 5:04:03 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: smokingfrog
What's the difference between the big screen in your living room, the smaller screen on your laptop or the tiny one in your pocket?

None. It's all garbage. The teeheevee left my living room in the early 80s. Cable went away a decade later. I did build an antenna when analog went away, but had already quit watching anything regular on broadcast nearly a decade ago. Today it's the occasional football game and nothing else.

I check up on "cable" when traveling (I travel a lot), but always go back to the book(s) I pack for the trip. Even the once-good "History" channel is so boring with its "PawnStars" and "Trucking" programs... forget it.

Teeheevee is so worthless, I don't care to watch it at home, in the hotel, or on my cellphone. Let it die and free up RF spectrum for something useful.

32 posted on 12/17/2010 6:01:58 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: dfwgator

If you look hard enough, there are two great sources for watching live sporting events, including the NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA Sports, European ‘football’, etc. I watch NFL RedZone on the laptop with the network game on the big screen. ;)


33 posted on 12/17/2010 6:06:16 PM PST by AJ504 (The Constitution was NOT written on an Etch-A-Sketch!)
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To: AJ504
ive looked, most of em suck...

how about a link ???

34 posted on 12/17/2010 10:34:06 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: dangerdoc

I like free. If it is free, it is for me.


35 posted on 12/18/2010 5:49:51 AM PST by Dacula (Proud husband of a Breast Cancer survivor.)
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