Posted on 12/20/2010 5:58:54 PM PST by kindred
I’ve seen hardcore Protestants and Catholics (I was once told I lived in a nation that supported murder because we have birth control here). I’ll get the popcorn for this thread if the two sides show up.
ping to watch...live and let live...i don’t care if you worship a wheelbarrow...it’s your business and not mine...and it is not up to me to criticize anyone’s religion...
If, as you say, “In beginning this study, the clarifying statement should be made that the Bible, God’s infallible (reliable) and immaculate (perfect) Word, is the FINAL AUTHORITY when it comes to ALL matters pertaining to the truth of Christianity, which includes Mary (2 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Timothy 3:16),” where is the canon of Scripture listed IN Scripture? Likewise, what specific verse calls the Bible the FINAL AUTHORITY, in those words? That’s a start. There are many more holes in your words. Even an amateur such as myself can see them. Where’s my popcorn?
So you support the murder of fetuses? How long ago were you a Fetuses any ways? Would you deny the chance of a fetus to eat some popcorn while discussing your future? Enjoy your corn..
How in the heck did you make this leap? At least you made me laugh...
Even when that 'religion' impels people to fly airplanes into buildings killing innocent people in the airplane and in the buildings? The same 'religion' that causes some to strap explosives to their bodies and detonate them in crowded spaces of innocent people? Even then?
“I am become a stranger to my brothers, and an alien to my mother’s children (Psalm 69:8).”
Worth reposting.
There have been fanatics is all religions through history that have taken innocent lives—Right? I can easily criticize fanatics, and I do quite often, but their religion is none of my business.
In before the Catholic bashing...
Outstanding post.
Does it say Final Authority? No. But what it does say is:
“14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it 15and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.”
“May be complete (ina hi artiov).
Final clause with ina and present subjunctive of eimi. Artiov is old word (from root arw, to fit), specially adapted, here only in N.T.
Furnished completely (exhrtismenov).
Perfect passive participle of exartizw, rare verb, to furnish (fit) fully (perfective use of ex), in N.T. only here and Acts 21:5. In Josephus. For katartizw, see Luke 6:40; 2 Corinthians 13:11. “
http://www.studylight.org/com/rwp/view.cgi?book=2ti&chapter=003&verse=017
It it equips you “for every good work”, then it is sufficient. You don’t need more if it fully equips you for every good work.
Also - how do you get more authoritative than “breathed out by God”?
Please note what Peter said:
“16For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” 18we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. 19And we have something more sure, the prophetic word, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.”
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Peter%201&version=ESV
Please note that, if Peter had to chose between being present at the Transfiguration and scripture, he would choose scripture - “we have something more sure, the prophetic word”.
Now, against that you have what? Matt 16:16 setting up Peter as the Infallible Leader of the Church? Not hardly!
“11But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. 13And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. 14But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”
15We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
17But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! 18For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. 19For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.” Galatians 2
Peter was as wrong as possible: “I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.” He was wrong in his teaching and example. But, as I pointed out, PETER knew what was important. Not his experiences, not his standing, but the prophetic word of God.
Excellent study. Saving for my library of apologetics.
When it agrees with you or when it agrees with me?
Thanks for your post.
Perhaps too some confuse the Word with words.
Murdering fetuses? We’re not talking about abortion, we’re talking about preventing the act of contraception taking place. Anyway reefdiver, here’s a musical number for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8
There is nothing to laugh at there, Your education is incomplete.
This “study” is as goofy as a communist giving a class on market economics....only total ignorance of the subject matter allows it any credibility.
Find me the verse that says Jesus gave authority to a book instead of a Church, and I’ll regard you as something more than a religious flim-flam artist.
Though Mary is certainly the most blessed woman who ever lived, it's clear from church and secular history that the doctrines that began to bubble up around Mary several hundred years after her death were unknown to the early church.
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