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I'm pleased to see more and more of this type of article -- a reasonably fair, objective treatment of public sector benefits. Quite a contrast to the many earlier hopelessly biased screeds against government workers.
1 posted on 12/21/2010 5:53:47 AM PST by Poundstone
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THE MILLIONAIRE COP (firefighter, teacher, federal bureaucrat) NEXT DOOR
By Rich Karlgaard, Forbes Magazine 6/28/10 issue

EDITED Who are America's fastest-growing class of millionaires? They are police officers, firefighters, teachers and federal bureaucrats, who, unless things change drastically, will be paid something near their full salaries every year--until death--after retiring in their mid-50s....a retirement sum worth millions.

Based on a realistic 4% return, an $80,000 annual pension payout with full health benefits implies a large pot of money--$2 million, to be precise.

That $2 million also happens to be the implied booty of your average California policeman who retires at age 55........in Carlsbad, Cali, the average firefighter or police officer typically retires at age 55 and has 28 years of service w/ an annual city pension of $76,440 for life. SOURCE http://www.forbes.com/

NOTE Vallejo, CA firemen make 200K a year---not including benefits and perks PLUS the inevitable lifetime pensions and eternal Cadillac family benefits.

2 posted on 12/21/2010 6:04:35 AM PST by Liz
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“Public Servants”? I agree that fire, police and utility emergency workers are public servants. People who sit in an office all day and push paper around are not public servants, they are on a government payroll. A major difference, which seems to elude the headline writer.


4 posted on 12/21/2010 6:07:45 AM PST by Bernard (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, Three if by Government)
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What NYS has been up to....

(New York) State put freeze on hiring, then added 51,464 people

And be sure to check out the price tag.

7 posted on 12/21/2010 6:11:24 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, how's that Lockerbie bomber deal investigation coming along?)
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The truth is that some federal employees are grossly overpaid. Others are underpaid.

The trick is paring down the overpaid while retaining the underpaid.

A far easier road to take would be to cut the areas of the fed gov that do not have a valid reason to exist. (probably more than 50% of agencies have no Constitutional basis)

Then, when the fedgov public sector unions have been greatly reduced the pay situation can be normalized to the prevailing private sector rates for each job type.


10 posted on 12/21/2010 6:13:32 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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Cry me a friggin river all you whiny overpaid, underworked government employees. Instead of whining and complaining why don't you try making similar money in the private sector or try running your own business. Then you would realize how soft you have it with your cushy government jobs.

Probably about half of government employees actually do useful work. The others are just taking advantage of taxpayers and our country would be better off if their jobs were eliminated and they were forced to actually do something useful that benefits society.

13 posted on 12/21/2010 6:17:05 AM PST by detective
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Fair and objective from the Washington Post? Dude I want some of what you're smoking.

I can't wait until the Pubs have majorities in both Houses and the Presidency. We're going to slash your pensions....

15 posted on 12/21/2010 6:18:59 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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in the privacy of their paneled boardrooms you just know the people running these unions are absolutely freaking out!


20 posted on 12/21/2010 6:38:09 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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"The extent and the depth of it is new. This is a concerted, deep attack on public employees and public workers," said Gerald W. McEntee, president of the 1.6-million-member American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. "The problem in the economy has not been created by public workers. It was created by Wall Street, and this political sleight of hand will do nothing to solve the problem."

So, let me see if I've got this straight: the private sector (Wall Street), which is simply an extension of the private citizenry (for the most part), from which you confiscate the money you use to pay yourselves (with incredible, expensive, lifetime benefits which most of the private sector do not enjoy), is responsible for this economic "problem", and therefore, only the private sector should suffer, while you continue taking your hefty benefits at their expense?

These people are like a tick that has drained the last drop of blood from it's host, and then blames the dead animal because it has no more blood to drink.

24 posted on 12/21/2010 6:44:42 AM PST by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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Too many government workers believe that no matter how bad the economy is for the general public, they are too special to go without. These are the people we need to starve out.


25 posted on 12/21/2010 6:46:07 AM PST by Niteranger68 (I am in the party of "HELL NO"!)
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an eight-hour day in a drab Independence Avenue office building can look like a supremely privileged lifestyle when Americans in the private sector are panicked and furious over what has happened to their own salaries, health coverage and 401Ks

The main difference between these "public servants" and hogs at a trough is, when the hogs retire...you eat them.

"Public employee" numbers (do-nothing bureaucrats and shovel-leaners)in most levels of government, could be slashed by at least 80%, with no noticeable disruption in service.

First, many if not most agencies need to be eliminated, and the departments of the executive branch seriously scrutinized.

The upcoming TEApublican government needs to develop a "quick-eval" system where the actual government workers are allowed to vote the deadbeats "off the island".

Reform/removal especially should include redundant mid-level management and dept/agency heads.

This should be a secretive operation with private sector moles place throughout to be "a fly on the wall". Evaluation votes should be secret ballot, to be reviewed by private sector professionals.

Temporary outside auditors should be paid a bounty for each worthless drone they out.

Remember, many if not most of these leaches got there through patronage.

26 posted on 12/21/2010 6:48:19 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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Jeez, guys. The Federal retirement system was reformed back in the 80s. They pay into their own system and into social security now and have been doing so for 25 years. Now, I’m not easy on them because they are underworked and most govt jobs are useless. But the retirement benefits are not out of line with the private sector.

The major scandal besides the over-hiring is the false classification of jobs at levels higher than the comparable public sector jobs. Govt paper-pushers will get classified as senior execs when they are nothing but file clerks.

Only an outside audit can clean up the mess because the higher you go in the govt the more corrupt and incompetent the personnel. It’s too corrupt to fix itself.


50 posted on 12/21/2010 7:50:59 AM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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I think in the hail of gunfire that is being fired here, we are overlooking something. To me, laziness and incompetence of some goverment employees is far less of a problem, than hard working competent employees implementing bad laws and regulations. Wouldn’t it be great if the FCC was too lazy, incompetent, and apathetic to promulgate internet regulations? Or Congress was too lazy and imcompetent to work hard through the holidays to destroy our country, as they have been doing?

I’ll take a lazy overpaid government employee any day over a hard working fascist who earns his pay. A lazy Congress is a good Congress, any day they are NOT in session is a great day for Freedom.


57 posted on 12/21/2010 8:03:59 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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