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In Congress, A Harder Line On Illegal Immigrants
NPR ^ | 12-26-2010 | AP

Posted on 12/26/2010 11:49:11 AM PST by radpolis

In a matter of weeks, Congress will go from trying to help young, illegal immigrants become legal to debating whether children born to parents who are in the country illegally should continue to enjoy automatic U.S. citizenship.

Such a hardened approach — and the rhetoric certain to accompany it — should resonate with the GOP faithful who helped swing the House in Republicans' favor. But it also could further hurt the GOP in its endeavor to grab a large enough share of the growing Latino vote to win the White House and the Senate majority in 2012.

Legislation to test interpretations of the 14th Amendment as granting citizenship to children of illegal immigrants will emerge early next session. That is likely to be followed by attempts to force employers to use a still-developing web system, dubbed E-Verify, to check that all of their employees are in the U.S. legally.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 14amendment; aliens; amnesty; birthright; illegals
More liberal talking points on illegals.

If the GOP is dead because of not regularizing and giving amnesty to illegals, how come Abel Maldonaldo, a Republican pro-amnesty American of Mexican descent, got defeated in California?

How did Hispanic Republicans with hard line views on illegals get swept into office?

The liberal media would like to propagate that Americans are pro-illegal, but I think one issue that binds Americans across party lines is their opposition to illegal immigration and pandering to the Latino fascist groups.

I actually believe that a hard line approach is politically better for the GOP than a pandering, supplicating approach, despite what the liberal propagandists in the media spew on a regular basis about the GOP losing Hispanics over the illegal issue.

1 posted on 12/26/2010 11:49:12 AM PST by radpolis
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To: radpolis
But it also could further hurt the GOP in its endeavor to grab a large enough share of the growing Latino vote to win the White House and the Senate majority in 2012.

If we don't roll over for amnesty and open borders, we will lose the Latino vote. /s

2 posted on 12/26/2010 11:52:48 AM PST by umgud
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To: radpolis

Boo hoo. I’m crying so hard I can barely type.


3 posted on 12/26/2010 11:53:42 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: radpolis

“I actually believe that a hard line approach is politically better for the GOP than a pandering,”

I think you’re a 100% correct. Talking to local legal immigrants, they are either lying to me or they don’t want the illegals either.


4 posted on 12/26/2010 11:54:46 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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To: umgud

If we don’t get the border/illegals under control there won’t be much of a country left to worry about.


5 posted on 12/26/2010 11:55:19 AM PST by JPG (There is hope for America and her name is Sarah.)
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To: radpolis

Pandering to the racist elements of the “Latino vote” will only make the matter worse. Give them enough numbers, as of now, and look at how the concept of “illegal” doesnt seem to matter. More more birthright citizens. The time to stop is now. No more excuses. If Latinos want to punish candidates, then the results will be more and more Anglos coming over to the conservative side

Better now than later. Pandering for votes and looking the other way is what got us here in the first place.


6 posted on 12/26/2010 11:56:14 AM PST by A_Former_Democrat (NO MOS-que AP: It's the "GROUND ZERO MOSQUE")
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To: radpolis

Sometimes it’s hard to do the right thing. Hopefully the new Tea Party Repub’s coming in will do the right thing regardless of the screaching from the lefties.


7 posted on 12/26/2010 11:59:20 AM PST by Rudolphus (Tagline? I don't need no steenkin' tagline.)
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To: radpolis
"It is a general rule of human nature that people despise those who treat them well, and look up to those who make no concessions."

-Thucydides

8 posted on 12/26/2010 12:02:15 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: radpolis

This is a stupid question. If your parents are here ILLEGALLY how can that possibly under any stretch of the imagination make you LEGAL? It cannot and it was never intended to do so.

Every poll I have seen on the subject has been over 90% and against “anchor babies”.


9 posted on 12/26/2010 12:05:21 PM PST by sigzero
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To: bill1952

Legal immigrants hate illegal immigration because it lumps them in with the illegals.

Another unintended consequence of the left.


10 posted on 12/26/2010 12:08:57 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz
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To: radpolis
I don't believe that legal Latinos are thrilled about illegal anyone taking their jobs and slots at school, and if they are, the first narco banger drive by will convince them otherwise.

Vote Republican, or those guys will BE the police.

11 posted on 12/26/2010 12:10:03 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: radpolis
I understand that children born to foreign diplomats and others like that do not automatically become citizens. Maybe, using that as an example, they can do the same to illegals.

But it also could further hurt the GOP in its endeavor to grab a large enough share of the growing Latino vote . . .
The "growing Latino vote" will only get larger if the Pubbies allow amnesty in any form, and they ain't a'gonna vote anything but Democrat if they do get it.

12 posted on 12/26/2010 12:11:34 PM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: radpolis
But it also could further hurt the GOP in its endeavor to grab a large enough share of the growing Latino vote to win the White House and the Senate majority in 2012.

I remain eternally skeptical of advice given by the left about what the GOP should do to win.

13 posted on 12/26/2010 12:13:55 PM PST by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: radpolis

This is kinda funny, since the GOP just picked up two House seats in formerly Dimocrat, predominately Latino districts in South Texas.
Which you won’t hear about on NPR because it just doesn’t fit their template.
AMERICANS of Mexican or other Spanish descent know who shares their values.


14 posted on 12/26/2010 12:17:42 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: radpolis

“...I think one issue that binds Americans across party lines is their opposition to illegal immigration...”

That’s because the Rule of Law is the unspoken theme at the center of this article. Liberals/Progressives ignore it totally, and this is at their peril.

Once the Rule of Law breaks down no one is safe in public, at home, or in their person.

I suspect the majority of Libs don’t perceive this fact — they’re totally operating on emotion with this issue and the desire to hopefully acquire more Democratic voters.

They’re being used by that faction which wants to overturn and gut the U.S.A., then establish a communist government amid the chaos.

George Soros has a hell’uva lot of money wrapped up in this issue.


15 posted on 12/26/2010 12:18:06 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: SatinDoll

I think there is a distinction between the average American and the party and media elites.

I don’t know too many average Americans along the entire political spectrum who are pro-illegal and pro-amnesty. Only the hard core Marxists on the left support it and the profiteers on the right support it. They are in the minority, but they have a lot of money and power.

The reason why a comprehensive immigration reform or amnesty bill can’t get passed in Congress is because average Americans are opposed in vast numbers..

This is why you see the liberal media in full propaganda mode all the time trying to brainwash the American people into passing something that they know is not in their best interests.


16 posted on 12/26/2010 12:32:35 PM PST by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: radpolis

Yeah, it’s a crackdown: The DREAM act is dead and our government is actually considering enforcing its own laws.

/sarc


17 posted on 12/26/2010 12:36:25 PM PST by Tzimisce (It's just another day in Obamaland.)
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To: radpolis
How perfect that these two items appear back-to-back today:

D.C. court: Illegal immigrants can receive workers' comp

and:

In Congress, A Harder Line On Illegal Immigrants


18 posted on 12/26/2010 12:38:15 PM PST by Thom Pain (November 2, 2010, Step ONE. Repeal 17th, Step TWO. 11/6/2012, Step THREE)
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To: radpolis

Tired of paying for people who have no right to it. Including the idiots at NPR.


19 posted on 12/26/2010 12:38:47 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: umgud

Didn’t help the rats last time, did it? They needed every dirty trick to ‘win’ in Cali. Not that losing in Cali is that devastating.


20 posted on 12/26/2010 12:55:28 PM PST by ABQHispConservative (Fire all the damn rino!)
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To: radpolis

You can’t outpander the libs anyway ... the left will never love you Olympia and Susan et al, so do what’s best for your country.


21 posted on 12/26/2010 1:26:51 PM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: radpolis

The worst thing that has happened to Americans of hispanic descent is illegals. There are a few that have made money off exploiting illegals but the majority have seen the damage that has been done by illegals.


22 posted on 12/26/2010 2:11:59 PM PST by McGavin999 ("I was there when we had the numbers, but didn't have the principles"-Jim DeMint)
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To: radpolis
I actually believe that a hard line approach is politically better for the GOP than a pandering, supplicating approach, despite what the liberal propagandists in the media spew

Depending on which poll numbers you use, 70% to 80% of Americans are opposed to illegal immigration. Those numbers also (more or less) run across all demographics.

Any dolt ought to be able to see that bucking that trend is a losing political strategy.

23 posted on 12/26/2010 2:38:51 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: McGavin999

My spouse is of Spanish parents but was born in Brazil and grew up in S Africa. When talk centers on illegal immigration, she is always the most hard-nosed least sympathetic kick em out now enforce legal immigration policy supporter. She sees our non-enforcement as corrosive to our survival.

She would make a very dynamic great public office candidate, if only she would consider US citizenship more urgently. She has a love for this country, understands its role in promoting freedom for all mankind but is still comfortable as a legal resident.

I will have to work on her some more!


24 posted on 12/26/2010 3:05:16 PM PST by petertare (--. of)
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To: radpolis
Statement: "In Congress, A Harder Line On Illegal Immigrants"

Response: Many brave words will be uttered with chest tones of deep conviction, study groups formed, discussion, debate, different points of view shall be expressed on the "topic". Billions in ad revenue will be made by media conglomerates. In the meantime relity dictates that millions will pour over the border and the taxpayer will pick up the expense and politicians the Mexican votes.(Plus Mexican drug money!)

25 posted on 12/26/2010 3:29:16 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

“Boo hoo. I’m crying so hard I can barely type.”

Yeh me too. Its just not FAIR to talk about keeping anchor babies from being automatic US citizens. Just not FAIR at all and its not NICE either.


26 posted on 12/26/2010 3:50:36 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: radpolis

Birthright citizenship is the ace in the hole for ILLEGAL ALIENS to LEGALLY collect state and federal benefits. It may be a bigger magnet to this country than jobs and drains the system for years on end. IT MUST END NOW.


27 posted on 12/26/2010 4:13:10 PM PST by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote! ~ DeMint, 2012)
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To: petertare
My spouse is of Spanish parents but was born in Brazil and grew up in S Africa.

Mine is from the Philippines. She doesn't like illegal immigration even a little bit.. We have had to jump through hoops, to do things legally, while the others simply walk across the border.

28 posted on 12/26/2010 4:40:09 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: radpolis

“John Morton, who oversees Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said in a recent conference call that there are no plans to change the agency’s enforcement tactics, which are focused on immigrants who commit crimes but also have led to detaining and deporting many immigrants who have not committed crimes.”

ILLEGAL aliens ARE criminals.


29 posted on 12/26/2010 4:56:03 PM PST by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote! ~ DeMint, 2012)
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To: sigzero
This is a stupid question. If your parents are here ILLEGALLY how can that possibly under any stretch of the imagination make you LEGAL? It cannot and it was never intended to do so.

Every poll I have seen on the subject has been over 90% and against “anchor babies”.

The operative phrase in the 14th Amendment is "subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

Those who say that the child of an alien is a "natural-born citizen", point to Calvin's Case [1608] from England concerning "natural-born subjects". BUT, Calvin's Case ALSO stated if that child was born to an enemy in England, then that child WAS NOT a "natural-born subject".

Now, in order for an alien in England [in 1608] NOT to be considered an enemy, that alien HAD to have leave of the Sovreign to be in the country in the first place. That is, an alien who was found to be in England WITHOUT the Sovreign's permission was AUTOMATICALLY an enemy since he was NOT under the Sovreign's jurisdiction.

And, any child born to him in England WAS NOT a subject of ANY kind.

30 posted on 12/26/2010 5:36:01 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...</i><p>)
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To: radpolis

Unless that “hard line” on illegal immigration involves the phrase “interlocking fields of fire” then it is too soft.


31 posted on 12/26/2010 5:41:24 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

32 posted on 12/26/2010 5:57:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: radpolis

Give these idiot libtards a tissue please, kkthx. =.=


33 posted on 12/26/2010 6:33:17 PM PST by cranked
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To: radpolis

Seal the borders going into the USA and eliminate the carrot by severely punishing employers of illegals, and eliminating their social services and the problem will take care of itself.

I frankly don’t trust either Republicans or Democrats to take care of it just as they failed to fix it after 9-11.

Americans want it fixed and now.


34 posted on 12/26/2010 7:41:43 PM PST by apoliticalone
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To: Oatka

Children born to parents who owe their allegiance to the U.S. are citizens. There is no law that grants citizenship to children of illegals, it is only a policy of the government. A policy that could be revoked with a simple vote of congress.


35 posted on 12/26/2010 10:00:44 PM PST by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: petertare

My spouse is of Spanish parents but was born in Brazil and grew up in S Africa. When talk centers on illegal immigration, she is always the most hard-nosed least sympathetic kick em out now enforce legal immigration policy supporter. She sees our non-enforcement as corrosive to our survival.

She would make a very dynamic great public office candidate, if only she would consider US citizenship more urgently. She has a love for this country, understands its role in promoting freedom for all mankind but is still comfortable as a legal resident.

I will have to work on her some more!


When your spouse cannot vote the liberals out who support Illegal Aliens (and other issues)....that will encourage your spouse to get citizenship. That was the main reason why my sister-in-law and her family (Canadian immigrants) became US citizens after years of putting it off


36 posted on 12/26/2010 10:47:22 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Whenever something is "Global"...it means its bad for America)
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To: Mark17

My spouse is of Spanish parents but was born in Brazil and grew up in S Africa.
Mine is from the Philippines. She doesn’t like illegal immigration even a little bit.. We have had to jump through hoops, to do things legally, while the others simply walk across the border.

...........or simply forgot all about their visas as in overstayed.
Why didn’t “we” ever even think of this ?
Someone has to explain this to me.


37 posted on 12/27/2010 12:44:31 AM PST by catroina54
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To: radpolis
So called "CRACKING DOWN ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION" the libs are whining about is just their ears perking up to that giant sucking sound of hundreds of thousands of potential social welfare-addicted, societal non-producer Democrat votes being sucked back south of the border, through deportation and attrition.

it is in fact, sweet, pure, true SOCIAL JUSTICE

It adheres to fair laws which treat all equal and make no extra or unbalanced consideration for anyone; it does not reward any form of lawbreaking, but adheres to order and pure fairness, for all must enter the US legally and orderly, no exceptions. This corrects injustices to those who patiently waited in line following the US procedures to legally come here, which are much more costly and much more timely to do so, but are honest, legal and guilt-free methodologies which God smiles upon, compared to arrogantly and disrespectfully coming in through stealth, lies, hiding, evasion and falsification.

Therefore, assailing those who illegally and immorally and dishonestly passed ahead of those who had quietly, patiently following the American Immigration law at varous Embassies and Consultates, is, the very essence of:

SOCIAL JUSTICE

American residence or citizenship: An EARNED PRIVILEGE based on LAW not a heaven-ordained inherent right based on ABJECT LAWLESSNESS.

38 posted on 12/27/2010 2:41:27 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**George W Bush** bears as much responsibility as CARTER, CLINTON and OBAMA over N. Korean nukes)
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To: SatinDoll

Even my very liberal sisters are against illegal immigrants. They realize that they are only making it harder for the native born poor to get a chance for a better life.


39 posted on 12/27/2010 6:43:29 PM PST by Himyar
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To: radpolis

“I think there is a distinction between the average American and the party and media elites.”

That is precisely the divide. Elites on both sides want amnesty, but rank-and-file Republicans and Democrats do not.

Why elites would harm our nation with open borders is an interesting question.
The elites love ‘bipartisanship’ when it suits them, but they dont want they ‘people’ to get their way on this.


40 posted on 12/27/2010 11:14:07 PM PST by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: radpolis
I think there is a distinction between the average American and the party and media elites.

It's not so much Republican vs Democrat anymore. It's not even conservative vs liberal.

It's Washington vs The Rest Of Us.

41 posted on 12/27/2010 11:17:58 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: radpolis
I actually believe that a hard line approach is politically better for the GOP than a pandering, supplicating approach, despite what the liberal propagandists in the media spew on a regular basis about the GOP losing Hispanics over the illegal issue.

Certain polls are rarely reported -- because the facts don't fit the liberal template.

One group that's ignored is polls of legal Hispanics -- who either jumped through all the immigration hoops or are natural-born citizens, just like their parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, and so on.

As a group, legal Hispanics are anti-illegal alien -- roughly 60-35, almost two-to-one.

The media doesn't want that to be so, so they ignore it. And even claim that the trend is otherwise. In other words, they lie. Flat out lie.

Here in Texas, my personal acquaintences are probably four-to-one against illegal aliens. And several prominent Texas Hispanic Democrat leaders recently converted to the Republican Party -- partly because of the Democrat Party's pig-headedness on this subject.

But it also could further hurt the GOP in its endeavor to grab a large enough share of the growing Latino vote to win the White House and the Senate majority in 2012.

The GOP would be well-advised not to believe this propaganda-driven bullcrap from NPR.

42 posted on 12/27/2010 11:29:52 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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