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Rep.-elect Joe Walsh (R-Ill) will turn down government health insurance
The Hill ^ | 12/26/10 | Jordan Fabian

Posted on 12/26/2010 6:51:03 PM PST by Libloather

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To: muawiyah

You are misinformed perhaps intentionally about the USPS. The USPS is heavily subsidized in addition to its legal monopoly. Postal rates will not come close to covering retirement costs. The USPS like the rest of the federal government does not have a portfolio to fund its retirement (pension and health care) benefits. According to this CATO report,

“Unfortunately, the U.S. Postal Service also is effectively bankrupt. The USPS expects to lose about $7 billion this year. The post office already has borrowed roughly $13 billion from Uncle Sam. At the end of 2009, USPS had $33.5 billion in outstanding liabilities and another $54.8 billion in unfunded retiree health and pension obligations.”

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2010/10/23/opinion/doc4cc3a237064f2250546497.txt?viewmode=default

Your definition of earn is laughable. Earn implies an arm’s length transaction between buyer and seller. Government labor cartels have vociferously lobbied for total compensation far above market levels. USPS management has an inherent conflict of interest with taxpayers.

The USPS like the rest of the federal government is a train wreck with no possible way to meet its future liabilities. Your assertions are false, similar to propaganda from labor cartels.


61 posted on 12/27/2010 8:16:59 AM PST by businessprofessor
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To: Libloather

Now THIS is a representative!


62 posted on 12/27/2010 9:08:44 AM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: businessprofessor
You are woefully uninformed. USPS is already overpaid into the FERS system by $78 billion. The FEHB payment is 5 years in advance.

And yes, folks at USPS work for a living doing something productive.

You, the people on the delivery end, are LEACHES.

There are ways you could be brought to pay for your services but they've always been thwarted by Congress. It could be done though. Then we could talk about who pays what.

63 posted on 12/27/2010 9:23:57 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: businessprofessor

Now, where’s this subsidy? I want some of it.


64 posted on 12/27/2010 9:25:23 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
I posted the board for the various prices on FEHB insurers. FEHB itself does not insure anyone. They simply facilitate the purchase of insurance by the insured ~ FROM among several insurers.

Take a good look at it. Think about who is most likely to be among the greatest number of insured people for each.

65 posted on 12/27/2010 9:28:18 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
BTW, FEHB only has to deal with about 2.5 million federal employees. The vast majority of state systems will need to deal with MANY MORE THAN THAT.

And, they'll be dealing with people who don't like it and will feel like they are working with a state echange only to avoid heavy fines and lengthy imprisonment.

I doubt any of the state exchanges will function.

66 posted on 12/27/2010 9:32:07 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Libloather

I’m sure his wife gets it and this is as much a publicity stunt as anything.


67 posted on 12/27/2010 12:43:50 PM PST by DemonDeac
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To: Libloather
"I don’t think congressmen should get pensions or cushy healthcare plans," he told the Chicago News Cooperative.

I love that man!! And, I strongly suspect he has been reading the FR forum (and my posts, ahem:^) if not a member already. LOL!!

68 posted on 12/27/2010 2:39:34 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Are you kidding me??)
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To: DemonDeac
Try reading the article:

But Walsh's wife is reportedly unhappy with her husband's decision: she has a pre-existing medical condition and will have to purchase her own insurance, according to the Chicago News Cooperative.

69 posted on 12/27/2010 2:44:51 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Are you kidding me??)
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“You are woefully uninformed. USPS is already overpaid into the FERS system by $78 billion. The FEHB payment is 5 years in advance.”

The article that I posted in a link directly contradicts your assertion about pensions and health care liabilities. I cannot find any documentation to indicate that the USPS does not have large unfunded liabilities, just like the rest of the federal government. You are just spouting labor cartel propaganda.

Your arrogance in referring to customers (LEACHES) is a new low for labor cartels. Government labor cartels are some of the worst as your comments clearly demonstrate.

The USPS is abmonination, a monster created and maintained by a combination of an ignorant Congress, self serving management, and militant labor cartel. Congress should start over by rationalizing mail delivery requirements, authorizing competition on all services, and eliminating all post retiree health care benefits and pensions (leave 401K with higher contributions). The idea that first class mail service should have a uniform price regardless of distance is ridiculous. All service should be distance sensitive. The combination of rationalized delivery requirements and competition will eventually lead to improved services and economically viable organizations.


70 posted on 12/27/2010 2:59:42 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: businessprofessor
Yeah, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, James Madison ~ all those Founding Fathers were totally ignorant weren't they ~ when they put that "post offices and post roads" clause into the Constitution.

There's your problem, you haven't read it yet. Try it someday.

71 posted on 12/27/2010 4:30:02 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: La Enchiladita
I bet she's more than unhappy. Guy is going to be paying an arm and a leg for his and her health insurance ~ but I don't think he can reject it since a Congressman's compensation may not be varied during a current session, and as far as anyone knows there's no provision for rejecting compensation. This is just part of his compensation ~ and there's an amendment concerning this. Best he read the Constitution as well.

I'm embarrassed that we have so many Conservatives who appear to be UNAWARE of the existence of the Constitution as the source of advice regarding the construction of our government and our national customs.

72 posted on 12/27/2010 4:33:25 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: businessprofessor

>> I cannot find any documentation to indicate that the USPS does not have large unfunded liabilities, <<

It looks like a $2.8 billion unfunded liability here: http://www.usps.com/financials/_pdf/annual_report_2009.pdf

Wonder what FedEx and UPS have on their books?


73 posted on 12/27/2010 4:42:43 PM PST by OwenKellogg (We need a Tea Party to welcome the new congress and remind them how they got there.)
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To: OwenKellogg

You have been fooled by dishonest government accounting. Congress and the USPS are at odds over unfunded pension and retiree health care liability with each side claiming that the liability belongs to the other side. This dispute is just between two parts of the government. It is essentially a blame game to avoid responsibility. The USPS is part of the federal government regardless of any rhetoric or language that Congress uses to separate the USPS and federal government.

Here is the bottom line for taxpayers. There is a $100 billion unfunded liability. I believe that $100 billion is a large understatement of the true liability given the number of postal retirees. Neither the USPS nor Treasury Department has a portfolio to support pension and health care benefits for postal retirees. If the USPS were a private company (not part of government), it would be required to have an investment portfolio to fund its retirement benefits.

Congress spends every dime it collects plus it borrows heavily. The USPS is no different than any other government agency except that it collects lots of revenue through postage fees. Congress has not created any mechanism to fund pensions for postal employees or any other government employees.


74 posted on 12/27/2010 5:22:59 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I am one who normally argues against tampering with the Constitution, unless it is to repeal the 17th Amendment.

Here I would certainly take seriously and likely support a Constitutional amendment that requires all elected representatives to live under the laws they pass without exemption or exception. They must abide by and live under whatever they mandate for the rest of us.


75 posted on 12/27/2010 5:50:27 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (GratefulWhich scriptures were used in "the Apostles' ministries?)
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To: businessprofessor

hey, if you want your mail to be all complex and expensive, that is fine. I like not having to calclate distance and not have to pay extra to send small things in the mail.

packages from businesses do take distance into account-—on our postage machine, mail over a certain weight you also factor in the zip code.


76 posted on 12/28/2010 6:34:50 AM PST by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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