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To: Uncle Miltie; All
Stupidity is legal, regular, and you are free to engage in it.

Well, golly gee, Uncle Miltie, didn't mean to cause you to go apoplectic.

But I save electricity in other way s too - a hellava lot more than light bulbs alone save. Here's just one way: I cook with electric. When cooking, I turn the pan/pot off about a minute before the food is 'done'. the residual heat finishes the cooking. Now, get back to all you minute mathematical computations and figure out how much one would save by turning off just 5 pots/pans a day one minute early. (Take into account that an electric burner consumes much more energy per minute/hour than a light bulb - even a 100 watter.) I also "cook once to eat thrice - or more" That is, I could enough in one session for 2 to 4 meals. That saves a lot of energy.

but my biggest savings comes from having my TV/VCR,etc on a power strip, which I turn off when not watching. And I unplug appliances, like the toaster, coffee pot, slow cooker, mixer - when not in use (You DO know they draw power as long as they are plugged in, don't you ? Of COURSE you do, being such an expert and all. (Those 2 steps alone cut my bill down over $30 a month. )

I also save money by not letting getting my knickers all in a twist over any little thing - don't need doctor's visits and blood pressure meds.

You, however, sound like you could use a chill pill...or a natural spectrum light bulb.

Happy New Year.

84 posted on 12/27/2010 8:34:51 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: maine-iac7

Sorry about that. You were just the third poster (or more) who came back with points irrelevant to my posts, so you caught the < flame on >.

I posted a bunch of facts up above, and people have been taking fact-free pot shots at them all afternoon. And work sucked today for similar reasons.

I love economics and saving money. Some of your recommendations sound excellent, and I’ll give them a try.

I just researched bulbs extensively recently, so it peeved me to see such non-factual, ignorant, math-free, polemicising about light bulbs, and have those people spout off against my fact filled posts.

Again, I apologize; you caught me at the moment of losing my temper with the sum of all posters this afternoon.

Plus, if anyone can come back with a better bulb than the one I specified above (criteria below), I’ll go buy a dozen:

1) > 1,200 Lumens
2) < $47 Total Costs (Bulbs + Electricity) for 6,000 hours of operation at $0.09 / Kilowatt hour
3) Flood light with >=25 degree beam
4) Not compact flourescent (I hate the light color, the warm up time, the toxicity, the buzz, lack of focused beam, and the historic lack of dimming)

Heck, I might even learn something. If people post facts.

Have a good evening!


85 posted on 12/27/2010 9:16:21 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: maine-iac7

P.S. - If you want to save some more money, look at Mobil 1 (full synthetic motor oil) for your next oil change.

It goes at least twice the distance for twice the price per oil change, so the cost is identical to regular oil on a per-mile-basis.

But it gets me +2 MPG better in each of my cars: Toyota Tundra 2004, Subaru Forester 2003, Subaru Forester 1998. That’s real money!

So, you spend less time in the oil change place, and you save real money on gas. Time + Money = Great Idea!

Plus, your car sounds quieter, and rumor is it will help your car last longer (unproven in my book). All the car guys I talk to agree it is the thing to do.


86 posted on 12/27/2010 9:36:43 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: maine-iac7

Here’s today’s review of lighbulbs for lamps, with the criteria being >800 lumens. My previous review was floodlights, and for that application, Halogen 60 Watt bulbs won (see above.) Today, the cheapo GE Softwhites win in my opinion. If you can stand CFLs, they are cheaper (see below). I hate CFLs and won’t buy them.

MFG GE
Name Soft White
Type Bulb
Method Tungsten
Lumens 820
Hours 6,000
Watts 60
W/H 360,000
KW/H 360
Cost / KW/H $0.09
Electricity $32.40
Hours / Bulb 1,500
Bulbs / 6K Hours 4.0
Cost / Bulb $0.47
Total Bulb Costs $1.88
6000 Hour Cost $34.28
Vendor Walmart
Cost / Lumen $0.042

MFG GE
Name Soft White
Type Bulb
Method CFL
Lumens 800
Hours 6,000
Watts 15
W/H 90,000
KW/H 90
Cost / KW/H $0.09
Electricity $8.10
Hours / Bulb 8,000
Bulbs / 6K Hours 0.8
Cost / Bulb $5.22
Total Bulb Costs $3.92
6000 Hour Cost $12.02
Vendor Walmart
Cost / Lumen $0.015

MFG GE
Name Edison
Type Bulb
Method Halogen
Lumens 840
Hours 6,000
Watts 60
W/H 360,000
KW/H 360
Cost / KW/H $0.09
Electricity $32.40
Hours / Bulb 3,000
Bulbs / 6K Hours 2.0
Cost / Bulb $3.99
Total Bulb Costs $7.98
6000 Hour Cost $40.38
Vendor Lowes
Cost / Lumen $0.048

It appears that across the spectrum of lighting options for lamps, CFLs will be the cheapest over their life if you can stand them. Otherwise, stock up on the cheap GE Softwhites. My wife is going to Walmart right now to stock up on the Softwhites.


88 posted on 12/28/2010 2:28:41 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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