As Gay Becomes Bourgeois

Townhall.com ^ | December 29, 2010 | Jonah Goldberg

[TexNewMex]

Hi, Wagglebee. Did you have a question for me? I didn’t want to leave you unanswered.

[DBeers]

So how do we “handle” people whose behavior is immoral but not illegal? What is the recourse?

How does one handle a nose picker? Do you grant them extra benefits because they claim they were born that way? Do you force people into accepting nose picking as a value to society worthy of protection in public? Do you indoctrinate children to accept the many splendored aspects of nose picking -that nose picking is a valid basis for rights -that nose picking is a valid basis for marriage?

You ask the wrong question -opposing the homosexual agenda has NOTHING at all to do with handling people. It has everything to do with a just discrimination of an activity that society resoundingly has determined is of no value. Homosexual sex may be legal; however, that is all it is.

[wagglebee]

Did you have a question for me? I didn’t want to leave you unanswered.

Yes, I'm curious why you showed up on this thread to defend what could best be described as attempts to legitimize homosexuality?

[wbarmy]

often act as if there's some grand alternative lifestyle for gays. But there isn't

There is a grand lifestyle and it has been documented from Andrew Sullivan all the way down. The gay couples idea of a "monogamous" relationship has nothing to do with a straight couples. The average heterosexual person has less than 10 sexual contacts over a lifetime, while the average homosexual male thinks that 10 sexual contacts is an unsuccessful date.

[TexNewMex]

Okay, I understand what you’re saying. I understand the “defensive” steps of not kow-towing. I’ve been trying to think about “offense”/proactive steps.

[SamuraiScot]

it may be a good thing for society that homosexuals are embracing homosexual monogamy as opposed to homosexual promiscuity.

The curious thing is, they're not. Records in Massachusetts showed that two-thirds of the "gay" marriages that took place were between women. When you consider that men are far more likely to be homosexual (about 2.5 percent of the male population) than women (1.4 percent of females), it means that a lesbian is about four times as likely to want "the ring" as a male homosexual. (That's women for ya, eh?)

So, no, homosexual males are not adopting the bourgeois life. Jonah doesn't get that because he doesn't accept that homosexuality is a real psychological phenomenon, and it's sick—not to mention poisonous to society. You can't legalize or regularize it, any more than you can regularize adultery, theft, or murder. All those behaviors are acts of war against society and virtue, and need to be marginalized, suppressed, and cured, like all sins, crimes, and disorders. Human nature is fallen, so the campaign never ends, but let's not be confused about what is normal.

[Darksheare]

Christmas stunk this year, I was stuck at work both Christmas Eve and Christmas Day.
I’ll be at work for New Year’s too.
*ugh*

At least I get time and a half for it.

[TexNewMex]

As I said earlier, I was just trying to talk about how we deal with immorality not illegality. Is there anything to do aside from staying away from these people, not associating with them? Someone else just mentioned nose-picking; I don’t really see that as “immoral”, but there are all kinds of things people do that are “wrong” but not illegal. Does what I’m saying make sense? I don’t have an answer; I’ve been wondering if anyone else has come up with one.

[TexNewMex]

I’m really sorry to hear that. We had so much family drama at Christmas, I almost wish I’d been working, too. ;)

I hope your 2011 is better.

[DJ MacWoW]

I think that at least 38 states got it right when they passed one man/one woman marriage laws. We need o stop the courts from thwarting the will of the people. Anyway, that was a loud and clear message.

Conservatives need to abandon organizations like CPAC that welcome homosexual groups to the convention too.

Treat them like pariahs. Fights their push for "rights".

[Darksheare]

Hope so too, this year was a rough one.
I had to replace my car because some punk kid drove through a red turn arrow and took the nose off of my car.
This past week was just ‘icing on the cake’ so to speak.

[wagglebee]

Is there anything to do aside from staying away from these people, not associating with them?

Of course, we should try to make sure that they are treated for their illness. Would you advocate just abandoning people with other mental illnesses?

[TexNewMex]

Agreed.

[DJ MacWoW]

Would you advocate just abandoning people with other mental illnesses?

They don't always want help. You can't force them. Well unless they commit a crime like using a child or prostitution.

[TexNewMex]

Sorry about your car — did the kid have insurance, at least?

[TexNewMex]

I wish we had the resources to help everyone with mental illness, under which umbrella I’d include drug addiction. ;(

[Antoninus]

Jonah, this kind of weak, equivocating claptrap is why I can't stand beside you milquetoast Republicans any more.

Sodomy is wrong. Those who practice it are doing harm to themselves and their sex partners.

But you can't say that without getting kicked off the cocktail circuit?

[wagglebee]

You are right, but it would make things a lot easier if the medical/psychological community went back to acknowledging it as a mental illness.

[TexNewMex]

I agree. I knew a really sweet man who lived on Venice Beach. Everyone called him Spoon. He was an alcoholic and had a lot of health problems, in addition to being confined to a wheelchair. Spoon told me he had a family, but he was living life on his own terms. It was such a sad situation.

[DBeers]

Okay, I understand what you’re saying. I understand the “defensive” steps of not kow-towing. I’ve been trying to think about “offense”/proactive steps.

These things were once exclusively determined and handled by society -in a free marketplace of ideas much like the economic free market. We see here government that was tasked with the responsibility now subverting it and imposing itself upon society whether it be education, immigration,or the homosexual agenda -really all of the illegitimate has the same root cause cause; overreaching big government.

The homosexual agenda is but one and the same with many government imposed centrally deemed mandates both moral and economic. I consider all these things but rotting fruits dropping from illegitimate branches from the Tree of Liberty. The seed sown thorough the rotting fruits must not be allowed to take root. The branches must be cut off, the Tree of Liberty pruned and restored...

The Tea Party has the right idea... Those that suggest only the fiscal is important are either part of the problem themselves or just useful idiots that will eventually get a clue and see the big picture that true conservatives see right now...