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Seems the Journal is angry about the way the "end-of-life counseling" provision is being enacted - through regulation.

At the same time, they think it's a great idea to pay for this type of counseling - which they say has already been taking place for some time. They also say that to call them "death panels" is a complete misrepresentation.

1 posted on 12/30/2010 11:24:59 AM PST by worst-case scenario
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The WSJ has (at least) two positions with which I heartily disagree:

1) We need to kill off the old folks: they cost too much.
2) We need to import more illegal Mexicans: they work cheap.

2 posted on 12/30/2010 11:31:11 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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Berwick would have been right at home in T4.


3 posted on 12/30/2010 11:32:44 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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Ofcourse it is death panel. The bureacracy will decide what treatments as necessary using AGE, Income (nursing home) and lastly ourcome. If they have a end-of-life document to fall back on, treatment will be denied. Simple.

Especially with the BB’ers hitting the system, must cull the herd.


4 posted on 12/30/2010 11:34:15 AM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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At the same time, they think it's a great idea to pay for this type of counseling - which they say has already been taking place for some time. They also say that to call them "death panels" is a complete misrepresentation.

It may be a misrepresentation at this point, but it opens the door. Once the door is open then it will evolve into seniors being counseled (pressured?) towards, or given limited choices regarding their health.

6 posted on 12/30/2010 11:37:37 AM PST by oldbrowser (Blaming the prince of fools shouldn't blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that elected him)
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Actually that is not the point, the article specifies that the debate has been politicized. The issue is that it was done ‘behind the scenes’ and that continues the current administration and their appointees efforts to circumvent the court of public opinion and Congress to achieve their desires.

And no matter how you slice it, at the end of the day, when government is involved in health care decisions eventually they will begin to ration treatment based on the direction of political winds, all in the name of ‘controlling costs’.


7 posted on 12/30/2010 11:54:08 AM PST by TXHunter
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Disagree. IIRC the original "death panel" section not only made the counseling mandatory, there was a control mechanism [Sec 1233 (b) Expansion of Physician Quality Reporting Initiative for End of Life Care] and some other provision that doctors would be penalized if they did not offer the care or even provided treatment outside of the guidelines.

Now, I agree with the premise that medicare recipients are entitled to being fully informed medical consumers and if that means compensating the doctors for their time in giving that information, so be it. However, I suspect this is more likely a "camel's nose" situation and that the metrics from the reimbursement coding will eventually come into play. The original bill laid bare the intent and I have zero trust that this administration is not trying to "boil the frog" one degree at a time.

8 posted on 12/30/2010 11:59:26 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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What’s the penalty for dying, without government-funded advice on the subject?


10 posted on 12/30/2010 12:14:08 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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