[Mariner]

"Linda Gramnesty's ideology is right out of Mao's Little Red Book which he obviously keeps in his breast pocket instead of the pocket-sized U.S. Constitution he took an oath to uphold."

I contend that it the above expressed ideology, which continues this welfare program unchecked, that is Marxist.

[MinuteGal]

You are totally off base. Civilized nations everywhere provide some kind of security for aged people. Don't throw either babies or the aged out with dirty bathwater.

There is a monetary price societies who value and respect life (and the quality of life) pays through taxation. This includes equal respect for ALL citizens, not just the young and healthy.

It's the profligate, criminal politicians that have abused our country's respect for human life by bankrupting and corrupting the SS system. Because of their class warfare (like Graham practices), many now HATE the aged and infirm, and if some are perceived by some commie as being "wealthy" they become hated by even some brainwashed conservatives...and they should be stripped of any security whatsoever.

Help for the aged through some sort of social security system here or in any civilized country does not necessarily make it "Marxist" as you imply.

For example, we also tax EVERYONE for public education because we value the lives of children. In other words, we want them to be schooled and successful as adults. Included in this education tax to help accomplish the universal education goal are millions of childless people who don't utilize the public school system at all. But forcing the taxation of the childless is "Marxist" in your view and we should get rid of the universal education program appelation and call it "welfare" for the children, which is what you want to call Social Security as you stated up-thread.

In the view of some of us, however, we EXPECT a nominal portion of our tax money to go to well-administered programs to further our respect for life and for the public welfare of the populace, young and old, as the Constitution commands.

The hang-up comes in how elected politicians administer the taxes we pay for these programs....wisely or corruptly.....and for decades now it has been corruptly and irresponsibly.

However, I think the country is waking up to the profligacy and the corruption. At least, I pray so. Also waking up to Libertarians who want no government social programs of any kind, whatever they are called.....and who flock to these threads like ants to a picnic table.

We started the job successfully in the November election by winnowing out a lot of crooks and socialists. We're also doing a damn good job right here on FR in exposing Graham and his ilk and spreading the words of truth.

Leni