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Sweden deploys vintage trains to battle the snow
www.thelocal.se ^ | 12/27/2010 | TT/The Local/pvs

Posted on 01/02/2011 10:36:49 AM PST by WesternCulture

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To: Frantzie
Willie appears to be gone but he used to post about light rail and high speed rail projects in the USA which were Obama projects. Useless projects where the train service would never make any money and they are design to funnel huge amounts of money to unions and Obama’s corrupt friends.

Although he was getting nuttier and nuttier near the end, I think WG took a legitimate principle (countries would be wise not to be completely reliant on foreign, especially hostile, entities for essentials) and misapplied it. He wound up convincing himself that running largely empty trains would somehow save oil and reduce reliance on foreign powers. This distorted view came from the romantic attachment some have to trains.

It was really bad when I tried to explain to him why a Hartford to Brattleboro, VT train line would be ludicrous, and he accused me of not understanding the dynamics locally that I knew he was over the edge. I lived the first 35 years of my life in Connecticut (save college), and I know it, I know it really well. Willie doesn't.

Other lines he was drooling over included an ambitious project between Atlanta and Chattanooga. Unlike cars, trains have to be in use in both directions at all hours to be financially viable. I could imagine folks wanting to go from Chattanooga to Atlanta in the AM. Considerably fewer would go from Atlanta to Chattanooga in the AM. The reverse problem would happen in the evening.

Of course, if the line were created, the train could play Glen Miller on the train the whole time, and what could beat that? Well, maybe some strange line that starts out of Penn Station at a quarter to four, goes through Baltimore, and has a ham and egg breakfast served in the dining car the next morning in one of the Carolinas.

So, Willie Green was an unappreciated, but tireless prophet, and he gave as good as he got. In many ways, he was what Democrats used to be when they loved this country, too.
41 posted on 01/03/2011 5:27:49 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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Building railways spurred the development of America and brought lots of new populations further and further West. New railways for coal and steel making helped our economy. But these days it is different. Just about all the proposd light rail projects the Feds are funding will not produce more economic development. They will be non-profitable ghost trains. The only thing they will do is keep union construction guys employed building the rail lines. And where will the railcars be bought from? Bombardier in Quebec? That doesn’t produce American jobs

Willie was living in the past


42 posted on 01/03/2011 5:45:30 AM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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“What I mean to say is that the same industrial/mechanical smarts the Swedes had building locomotives 60 years ago translates into IT+other hi-tech smarts today you posted about. It’s just a younger generation doing it.”

- I get you. Sorry if it sounded like I failed to understand what you wrote. Never mind.

Anyhow,

“Farmers are always trying to eliminate back breaking labor so they always have an incentive to come with new and better mechanical ideas for planting, growing, harvesting, storing food and cotton.”

- True, but why did Russian farmers still use wooden plows in the beginning of the 20th century? And why was there famine even around 1960 in some parts of the USSR - together with America a World leading nation in space technology and exploration?

Of course, “Communism” is the answer. But not an especially clarifying one.

At university, I briefly studied the fact that USA, at a rather early stage of its national development (around 1860-1880), in fact was far superior to Europe in terms of mechanized agriculture.

Historians all agree this was the case but, naturally, these scholars disagree on the reasons to this situation (like they “ought” to).

To me, it seems plausible that the following factors played major roles:

- The shortage of labor in the agricultural sector of the American economy.

- The immense access to vast areas of virgin fertile soil in the US of that time.

- The enormous demand for agricultural products in relation to the numbers of competitors on the market (both the domestic and export ones).

- The transfer of engineering and agricultural know how to a market characterized by steady growth and the incitements to investment and innovation these circumstances constituted.

- The fact that the domestic market of America after 1865, in sharp contrast to (especially) Germany and France, never was disturbed by warfare (in both direct and indirect manners).

To a large extent, America differed much from Western Europe as well as Russia of those days in these regards.

43 posted on 01/03/2011 11:38:07 AM PST by WesternCulture
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that time.

Yes but also these vast Midwest grassland areas were flat. Flat land is much better for mechanized agriculture such as this >>>

Farm workers with horse-drawn combine harvesting wheat, Almira, Washington, August 1911
Farm workers with horse-drawn combine harvesting wheat, Almira, Washington, August 1911

Farms in hilly areas are always smaller than farms in flat areas. Europe had small farms that stayed in families for centuries while the Europeans who streamed into the US MidWest could claim large tracts of land after wresting it from the Indians.

44 posted on 01/03/2011 12:35:14 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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Thanks a lot for educating me!


45 posted on 01/03/2011 3:59:26 PM PST by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

You made five valid points that I did not mean to ignore. It is just the simple obvious fact that our Great MidWest agricultural land is flat,this gets left out. In the photo you see a large team of horses pulling a labor saving combine. This “mechanized agriculture” only works on flat expanses.

Combines used to be very expensive. Less so today but in the past we had combine owners who would follow the grain harvest. The grains and soy would be harvested first in Southern states. Then combine teams moved north as the harvest progressed. These days that fancy equipment is more affordable for an individual farmer.

I did not mention our Scandinavian farmers. You already know that Minnesota, Wisconsin, the Dakotas have lots of them. These days (due to marriage) they might be part Norwegian, part Swede and part German. Even some Finns I think. I have the impression that Danish immigration was not high


46 posted on 01/03/2011 6:55:55 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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