[Senator John Blutarski]

camle wrote: “yeah! let’s take out our frustration on a bunch of elderly, retired pensioneers. that ought to give us real good PR.”

Great idea. Let’s continue to ignore the problem; it has worked so far. After all, how bad could it get?

[midcop402]

We cannot ignore the problem. What needs to be done is put tighter rules on the local governmental units to property fund the pensions. We need to look away from defined benefit to a defined contribution system. My last employer did just that. All new hires were in the contribution program.
Fair or unfair, these contracts were negotiated. We cannot simply cut off retirees. Economic considerations were made to either obtain or retain the pensions.Changes need to be made going forward otherwise costs could be applied by the retirees.

There is games in some areas where the pension is tax deductible due to disability. The example of the marathon running firefighter. This is corruption. Deal with these issues and don't paint the whole retiree group in the same vein.

Deal with the problems, define solutions, don't just ‘bomb’ throw.