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Howard Dean Says Reagan Didn't End Cold War
usnews.com ^ | January 5, 2011 | Paul Bedard

Posted on 01/06/2011 3:15:56 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Outspoken former Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean apparently isn't planning to celebrate Ronald Reagan's 100th birthday February 6, around which there are coast-to-coast events planned. Instead, the former Vermont governor is shrugging his shoulders, asking what all the fuss is about?

At a media roundtable today, Dean suggested that Reagan had little impact other than stopping the social progression begun under FDR and seemed to dismiss the Gipper's efforts to crush communism, giving the last Soviet premier, Mikhail Gorbachev credit for ending the Cold War, a statement sure to draw sneers from Reagan fans and even historians.

While Reagan is considered in polls and by historians to be one of the five greatest American presidents, Dean took the view that the Republican really wasn't consequential. "I think it's hard to point to particular singular accomplishments that are for the ages, I mean there was no civil rights bill or Medicare or Medicaid established. I attribute the collapse of the Soviet Union much more to Gorbachev than I do to Reagan."

Dean, a social progressive and doctor who is a champion of healthcare reform, even suggested that Reagan might have turned the country backward. "I think Reagan was a great leader, had leadership attributes," Dean allowed. "I do think that he put a roadblock in terms of the Roosevelt revolution. I don't think he reversed it, but I think he put a roadblock in it," he said at the roundtable sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor. Dean added: "The thing in retrospect that you look to with Reagan was he did represent, I mean the Republicans are right to revere him, in the sense that he did kind of represent the end of the progress in terms of where Roosevelt was taking the country and a reassessment that we have been fighting ever sense. I think we've sort of fought to a stand still but he put a stake in the ground and stopped the progression to a more humanitarian country."

The often quotable former party chief also let loose on other topics:

-- The likelihood that small business would stop offering health insurance benefits and dump workers into the health reform exchanges is a good thing because it would make businesses more competitive because they've be spending less on healthcare.

-- He won't challenge President Obama in 2012, will encourage others not to take the president on, and believes Obama will win handily.

-- Called the Tea Party the "last gasp" of older whites who are afraid of diversity, adding that Obama's black face reminds them that the nation has changed for good.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: california; coldwar; coldwar2; delusional; democrats; denial; howarddean; marxist; moonbats; ronaldreagan; vermont
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1 posted on 01/06/2011 3:16:00 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Outspoken former Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean

I thought Screamin' Dean moved out of the country......

:)

2 posted on 01/06/2011 3:18:46 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Keep flappin' your lips while I reload..............)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

All you have to do is say “Howard Dean” and any right-minded person simply moves on.


3 posted on 01/06/2011 3:19:14 PM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Whatever happened to the good old days when people who made absolute asses of themselves in public just “disappeared” and lived out the remainder of their lives in obscurity?


4 posted on 01/06/2011 3:20:21 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Gee. Just about the time I go to thnking the most useful idiot old dumb ass democrat award should go to Joe Biden and/or Jimmy Carter - along comes the Screamer with yet more fall on the floor stupidity.

Way to go Howie. These remarks are moving you up in the most retarded leftist moron polls.


5 posted on 01/06/2011 3:20:39 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Right. And you were never a doctor...


6 posted on 01/06/2011 3:20:39 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Dean suggested that Reagan had little impact other than stopping the social progression begun under FDR...

If this was all he did he should still be called the
saviour of his country.

God Bless ya Ronnie.
I and the girls at the post office can’t wait for
your stamp to come out.


7 posted on 01/06/2011 3:21:17 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
What an ignoranus
8 posted on 01/06/2011 3:22:13 PM PST by SparkyBass
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To: Tailgunner Joe

No, of course.

The DemonRATS won the cold war by sending Swimmer Ted the Red Kennedy to undermine Reagan and establish a shadow State Department, in clear violation of the Constitution. In most other countries, the traitor would have been hanged.

But Mickey Garbagechef was so impressed by Red Ted’s act of unilateral capitulation and contrition, that he responded by dissolving the Soviet Union, allowing the Berlin Wall to come down, and allowing all the former Warsaw Pact nations their freedom.

Right, Howie YEARGH Dean? That’s how it happened, right?


9 posted on 01/06/2011 3:22:26 PM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

release your gubenatorial records, Dr. Dean! lets see what you’ve been hiding.


10 posted on 01/06/2011 3:22:38 PM PST by sappy (criminalibs)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The likelihood that small business would stop offering health insurance benefits and dump workers into the health reform exchanges is a good thing because it would make businesses more competitive because they’ve be spending less on healthcare.”

oops, howie, your fascism is showing (or corporatism, as Mussolini liked to call it)
And these progressives try to pose as heroes of the middle class. once these liberal elites get done there won’t be a middle class.


11 posted on 01/06/2011 3:24:20 PM PST by griswold3 (Employment is off-shored, away from govt. regulations, price pressure groups, and liabilities.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yes, but in Howie’s universe Ronald Reagan never really existed.


12 posted on 01/06/2011 3:26:34 PM PST by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

13 posted on 01/06/2011 3:27:02 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: The Antiyuppie
Whatever happened to the good old days when people who made absolute asses of themselves in public just “disappeared” and lived out the remainder of their lives in obscurity?

That rule changed with Jimmah Carter. We're stuck with that flaming idiot forever, so why not Screamin' Dean?

14 posted on 01/06/2011 3:29:34 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It confounds me that Dean actually has a license to practice medicine.

It seems to me that stable mental health should be a basic requirement for those allowed to practice such an important profession.


15 posted on 01/06/2011 3:30:08 PM PST by Gator113 (I'm voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
By that logic, Karl Donitz ended the war in Europe and Emperor Hirohito ended the war in the Pacific.
16 posted on 01/06/2011 3:31:05 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“— Called the Tea Party the “last gasp” of older whites who are afraid of diversity....”

We won.


17 posted on 01/06/2011 3:32:04 PM PST by Gator113 (I'm voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Dean, a social progressive

NO, I think it's backwards: Dean, a progressive socialist!

18 posted on 01/06/2011 3:33:28 PM PST by parisa
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To: El Sordo

You have to give Hitler an assist for ending the war in the European theater by offing himself. /s


19 posted on 01/06/2011 3:34:30 PM PST by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: Gator113
It confounds me that Dean actually has a license to practice medicine.

We'll see how well physicians are able to "practice medicine" under Obamacare, which Doc Dean supports.

20 posted on 01/06/2011 3:38:54 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: hsalaw

“Whatever happened to the good old days when people who made absolute asses of themselves in public just “disappeared” and lived out the remainder of their lives in obscurity?”

That rule still applies to Joe Biden, unless Obama confesses his crimes.


21 posted on 01/06/2011 3:45:30 PM PST by devere
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Outspoken Maniacal and deranged former Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean...

Fixed it! Well, at least that part of it!

22 posted on 01/06/2011 3:49:15 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Tailgunner Joe
>>>>>... there was no civil rights bill or Medicare or Medicaid established. I attribute the collapse of the Soviet Union much more to Gorbachev than I do to Reagan."

Reagan stopped the liberal socialist agenda dead in its tracks and had significant success slowing down the growth in the Democrats created nanny state through tax cuts and deregulation. Dean totally ignores the fact that Gorby was reacting to Reagan and not vice versa. Reagan drove the final dagger into the communist state and ended the Cold War with a victory for the good guys.

23 posted on 01/06/2011 3:49:15 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Gator113

“— Called the Tea Party the “last gasp” of older whites who are afraid of diversity....”

We won.

Is 29 consider old for a white male? If so, I guess I am old.


24 posted on 01/06/2011 3:50:30 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The shame here is that Dean still thinks he is relevant.

I guess his value can be considered comic relief.

25 posted on 01/06/2011 3:53:48 PM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If Howard Dean’s preferences had been realized, our children would be studying the Cyrillic alphabet in order to better understand their roles in the New Soviet World. But Reagan won and although Dean can’t admit it, he is content to settle for the next best thing: a socialist American President. The substance of his complaint is that thirty years on, most Americans still think socialism sucks.


26 posted on 01/06/2011 4:00:08 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Gilbo_3; hiredhand; Squantos; DoughtyOne; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker

Howard Dean is the gift that keeps on giving...sorta like Venereal Disease.


27 posted on 01/06/2011 4:01:07 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Must be due those pink bunny rabbits running around in his head.


28 posted on 01/06/2011 4:05:43 PM PST by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Reagan ended the cold war with the Soviet Union, what he didn’t get to was the communists within the US, like... uh, Howard Dean and his communist democrats.

Hey Howard, you know this is true, don’t ya?


29 posted on 01/06/2011 4:08:17 PM PST by dforest
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To: indylindy

Dean is just ticked off because he was rooting for the other side.


30 posted on 01/06/2011 4:11:45 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: Tailgunner Joe

howeird dean is a liar... and the truth is not in him.

LLS


31 posted on 01/06/2011 4:15:14 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yep this is what they teach these days. My Modern US history book in college spent exactly 2 paragraphs on Raegan and it pretty much blamed him for increased spending and a bigger gap between richer and poorer. It gave all the credit to Gorby for the fall of the Soviet Union.
Talked to my Prof. about it and she just said yep and walked away.


32 posted on 01/06/2011 4:18:56 PM PST by vpintheak (Democrats: Robbing humans of their dignity 1 law at a time)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Howard Dean Says Reagan Didn't End Cold War...

Howard Dean is a moron.

33 posted on 01/06/2011 4:19:48 PM PST by LUV W (Thank God)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
feh...

34 posted on 01/06/2011 4:33:11 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Great men make history. Insignificant little ones try to rewrite it when they find themselves on the wrong side.


35 posted on 01/06/2011 4:39:03 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Gator113
It confounds me that Dean actually has a license to practice medicine.

It reminds me of that Jimmy Buffet song, where he sings, I don't think that I would ever let em cut on me.

36 posted on 01/06/2011 4:41:48 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: NFHale

It’s a real push which provides more valued information, a pronouncement by Howard Dean or a bubble gum wrapper. At least the bubble gum wrapper might be accurate about something.

This won’t be the pot-shot hear around the world.

It will be the whimper heard around his lips.


37 posted on 01/06/2011 4:44:22 PM PST by DoughtyOne (All hail the Kenyan Prince Obama, Lord of the Skid-mark, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I think it's hard to point to particular singular accomplishments that are for the ages,

gave MLK his own fed holiday...that, sadly, will be with us forever.
38 posted on 01/06/2011 4:46:31 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: The Antiyuppie

Howard Dean is a moron. Can you imagine if he was your doctor?


39 posted on 01/06/2011 4:51:35 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
First story, Dean claims GOP and tea party just 55 year old white males.

Next story in the news Democrats have the lowest party indemnification ever.

40 posted on 01/06/2011 5:04:27 PM PST by scooby321
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Does anyone at all, other than this reporter, give a happy damn about what Howard Dean has to say?


41 posted on 01/06/2011 5:17:09 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: El Sordo
By that logic, Karl Donitz ended the war in Europe and Emperor Hirohito ended the war in the Pacific.
You are quite right. Gorby surrendered. He surrendered precisely because Reagan out-bid him on defense spending, and the threat to spend ever more on defense, with particular high marks going to Reagan's pushing of the much-maligned (by leftist dunderheads like Dean) "Star Wars".

Gorby was already all-in when Reagan raised the stakes, and threatened to raise them some more and the KGB thug put on his green-eye-shade, did some good old fashioned cost accounting, and surrendered. Simple as that.

Ronald The Great won the Cold War on Planet Earth. He did it with the help of a lot of good Americans, particularly those in uniform, but he was the Commander in Chief and -- like the win going to the pitcher in baseball -- the victory goes to him.

42 posted on 01/06/2011 5:19:59 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Tailgunner Joe

43 posted on 01/06/2011 5:25:31 PM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: wastedyears

Howard Dean=Jimma Carter=Joe Biden=Al Gore

All brain dead. Will SOMEBODY please pull the gosh darn plug?


44 posted on 01/06/2011 5:31:00 PM PST by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: Gator113
It confounds me that Dean actually has a license to practice medicine.

I think Dean is one of those doctors who has a very cynical attitude toward his patients. This type of doctor, one of whom I knew long ago, thinks most of them don't have lives worth living and would be better off dead, although they would never admit this in the open. They go through the motions out of a sense of momentum and to keep up appearances for their peer group.

I hasten to state that this is a small minority of physicians, but they do exist. One characteristic of this type is that they always have to be the smartest person in the room. They talk fast, make very rapid judgments and decisions about important matters, and, when they are in error, play word games and try to intimidate skeptics into going away.

45 posted on 01/06/2011 5:34:28 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Deen, SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE.


46 posted on 01/06/2011 5:48:15 PM PST by politicalmerc (I TOLD YOU I could see November from my house. Now I see 2012!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I watched an interview with howie a few years ago and he kept referring to the Soviet Union in the present tense. He seemed to be longing for the past.


47 posted on 01/06/2011 6:50:08 PM PST by conservativebuckeye
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; ...

He also says that abortion doesn’t end human life. Thanks Tailgunner Joe.


48 posted on 01/06/2011 7:15:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"I regret not sending Yeltsin to prepare citrus plants in a banana republic" - Mikhail Gorbachev

Ya, that sounds like a man who wanted reform. Gorbachev's moribund political system had it's back pushed to the wall by Reagan and a resurgent west.

49 posted on 01/06/2011 7:27:13 PM PST by americanophile
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“— Called the Tea Party the “last gasp” of older whites who are afraid of diversity, adding that Obama’s black face reminds them that the nation has changed for good.”

Silly Howard. For the most part, the only people who care about what someone’s race is anymore are democrats. Further, democrats are anti-diversity. They only except one type of monolithic liberal ideology. They aren't interested in the kind of diversity that requires them to actually listen to and consider other peoples opinions. They are simply neanderthals.

50 posted on 01/06/2011 7:46:29 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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