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To: colorado tanker

Yes, and its not too much to ask for people to voluntarily surrender their homes when they default. It called — moving out.

ALL of these cases are people that WANT TO KEEP THEIR HOMES even if they default. Also known as DEADBEATS.

Who are the scumbags? The banks or the borrowers? Or both?


3 posted on 01/07/2011 2:48:10 PM PST by Squidster
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To: Squidster

You’re wrong. We read on FR some weeks ago that they have foreclosed on people who were CURRENT with their payments. One reason for having proper paperwork is to verify that the current owner is NOT a DEADBEAT or SCUMBAG.


5 posted on 01/07/2011 2:52:32 PM PST by DallasDeb
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To: Squidster

I’m going to bet that the number of borrowers who intentionally committed fraudulent acts during the mortgage process in the last 10 years is monumentally outnumbered by those from the other side of the desk.

BTW. Just finished reading The Big Short. Wow. Just. Wow.


6 posted on 01/07/2011 2:53:34 PM PST by moehoward
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To: Squidster

You get a mortgage from Good Old Bank. You don’t pay. Third Bank of Uzbekistan forecloses on you and takes the house, only they don’t have legal, age old, hum drum proof of possessing the mortgage. m ( Good Old Bank says the last time they saw the mortgage is when they sold it to First Auto Union of Detroit. Bank of Uzbekistan says they never heard of First Auto Union of Detroit. )

Do you move out?

( Actually, to an extent, this is a ruling not even about who owes what to who. It is about following 400 years of land court law and cases. Epic fail on the part of the banks. )


9 posted on 01/07/2011 2:58:37 PM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.)
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To: Squidster

Yes, and its not too much to ask for people to voluntarily surrender their homes when they default. It called — moving out.


We are still (at least for the moment) a nation of laws.

Yes, people who have defaulted on their loans should have the decency to just leave.

On the other hand, using unlawful means to evict those who refuse to leave is just as bad.

The ends do not justify the means (unless you are a Democrat, in which case “the ends justify the means” is your motto).


10 posted on 01/07/2011 3:01:59 PM PST by Brookhaven (Moderates = non-thinkers)
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To: Squidster
Move out without a clear title holder to receive the foreclosure, and you're liable to get a bill next year and the year after that for back taxes on a house you haven't been living in... because you're the only owner of record the city can find.

It's happened.

15 posted on 01/07/2011 3:17:45 PM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Squidster
Cede ownership to the first supposed lien-holder who shows up, and you may find yourself later on faced by the real lien-holder, expecting his property back.

Some of the titles on these properties are irretrievably damanged for any subsequent buyers, absent court action.

16 posted on 01/07/2011 3:19:26 PM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Squidster
ALL of these cases are people that WANT TO KEEP THEIR HOMES even if they default. Also known as DEADBEATS. Who are the scumbags? The banks or the borrowers? Or both?

Back in the distant past during the S & L crash there used to be workout departments in banks. All that has changed since mortgages were packaged, blended and sold as AAA investments. So long workouts - hello foreclosures.

These "servicers" want to get out as fast as possible so they're not sued by the "owners" of these now worthless not so hot potatoes.

I think the question is who are the bigger scumbags? The folks who walk up to the Fed's PPIP or TALF windows peddling the same crap in new odor proof bags. Or individuals who got in over their heads.

21 posted on 01/07/2011 3:58:41 PM PST by ninonitti
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To: Squidster
Who are the scumbags? The banks or the borrowers? Or both?

Good question. Watch this video and you tell me.

Foreclosure Defense - What You Need To Know

24 posted on 01/07/2011 4:30:18 PM PST by Chunga85 ("Foreclosure Fraud", TARP, "Mortgage Crisis", Bailout)
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To: Squidster

.....Who are the scumbags? The banks or the borrowers? Or both?.....

I would argue neither. Both are acting in their oen self interest in the courts. The borrowers have failed to uphold the contract and will ultimately lose unless they can come up with the money. The lenders have used shortcuts acceptable previously but that got out of hand.

The paperwork will be obtained and presented in in the required detail and the foreclosure will go forward.

The real scumbags are the lawyers for the borrowers who drag out the process for their own self interest, lining their own pockets.


40 posted on 01/08/2011 4:37:10 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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