Posted on 01/10/2011 10:22:46 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian
Obama doesn't because he can't!
It really is **that** simple!
Since Obama's alleged COLB wasn't issued until June 2007, then you're saying Obama never used this COLB to get a drivers license or passport. So what birth record did he use??
If Obama did authorize his campaign to get that COLB from Hawaii, he knows it's legitimate. He knows the information Hawaii has is legitimate. He put it on a website simply as a courtesy, since he's not obliged to prove anything to you.
Right, he was so confident that he had factlack dot org come take photographs of it three months before he released it to the public and then had his lawyer point to a factlack article instead of presenting the so-called 'legitimate' COLB to a court of law where it would be self-authenticating evidence. Now that's confidence.
Courts are not, in fact, a one-stop authentication service. They won't even accept a document to look at unless it is called for by a case that has already passed such procedural requirements as standing. If Obama were to simply show up with a birth certificate to be authenticated, the court would politely tell him to go away. Which is what courts have also repeatedly told you folks.
Further, if any case ever made it to court, they likely wouldn't ask for Obama to produce a birth certificate to authenticate. They would receive one directly from Hawaii, which would probably be a COLB. They would accept the state's documentation as to place of birth at face value absent actual evidence Hawaii's records are incorrect. And then you guys would have a fit.
No, he has simply provided evidence that rational people accept. Only a fool tries to satisfy the foolish.
The assumption that Hawai DoH issued a valid COLB to Obama is a mighty big one. The DoH refuses to answer the direct question whether they issued a copy of birth certificate to Obama on June 6, 2007!
In addition, birth registration INDEX data, which is by Hawaii law PUBLIC, is hidden from US citizens/voters. Request for Obama’s birth index data, which included the registration number 10641, was ignored by the DoH.
There is no logical explanation for their refusal to answer trivial questions about PUBLIC data.
Okay. You convinced me with your outstanding argument.
I agree. Release the long form and any documentation that may exist to support it. If he was opted in after the fact, I want to know. Hawaii has a duty to the nation to be frank about this.
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anyone heard from the hawaii gov.. has he released it yet— “crickets”...
Under Hawaii law, he can’t release it unilaterally. He needs both an Attorney General and a Director of the Hawai’i Department of Health to do that and neither of his nominees for those positions has been confirmed by the state Senate yet.
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Under Hawaii Law the DoH could issue a confirmation that COLB was issued to Obama on June 6, 2007. They could also confirm that birth registration index data from August 1961 really contains Obama’s name. They don’t need Obama’s approval to release PUBLIC information.
Oh no, not that too. Good grief...
No one has ever said they will, and only a moron could think that retort is relevant to anything under discussion.
The assumption that Hawai DoH issued a valid COLB to Obama is a mighty big one. The DoH refuses to answer the direct question whether they issued a copy of birth certificate to Obama on June 6, 2007!
No, it's not a very big assumption at all if one doesn't bring a massive chip on their shoulder to the argument. It looks like the type of document Hawaii produces; in fact, save for the color, it looks pretty much like what I can get from my state. The telling point that never gets addressed in any of these fantasies is a very simple one. Obama's campaign prof erred an image of a birth record, which they have let others examine. They were under no obligation to profer anything and did so simply as an informative courtesy.
The hopelessly feverish, initiated by the contemptible Polarik, then went off on all their fantasy reasons why that document was a fraud without answering a simple question. Specifically, fraudulent state documents have no privacy protection. If the document presented as a state document is not legitimate, that is, if it does not accurately reflect Hawaii's records, the state is legally free and clear to say so. Indeed, they have a legal obligation to do so in the face of fraud. That the state of Hawaii has not disputed the facts of the document Obama's campaign presented speaks volumes to objective observers. That the state has indeed affirmed the facts in question is definitive for anyone willing to be convinced.
Against that, we have simply cut-and-paste recycling of then same tired arguments and half truths whose deficiencies are obvious to anyone with legal experience.
Do you still believe claims from Colin Powell’s presentation to UN about readily deployable WMDs in Iraq? Even the CIA director said that the case was a “slam dunk”. The high ranking government officials always tell the truth, right?
You are relying on Obama telling the truth about receiving the document from Hawaii DoH.
There is no reason to rely on a word spoken by a habitual liar. There is an easy way to verify his claim, and it involves the release of PUBLIC information that should not depend on his willingness to approve the release of data.
The DoH has been asked to confirm that they issued COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007 and they REFUSE to do so. I cannot think of a more trivial confirmation.
You know that registration number 10641 does not fit well the Date Filed (August 8, 1961), do you?
Compare the alleged Obama certificate with Nordyke long form certificates and explain how is it possible that certificates originating in the same hospital could be processed three days apart and Obama receiving higher number three days earlier if local birth registrar sent registrations to the central DoH office on WEEKLY basis?
Obama’s document should have shown the same Date Filed as Nordyke certificates (August 11, 1961), if the official story about Kapiolani birth were true.
Unfortunately for Obots, the official story is a lie and the COLB is a forgery.
Magic explanation is simple: “unattended birth Registration”.
These are civil court cases, not criminal cases. Obama shouldn’t need to fight these cases if he was truly born in the United States and can prove it. And you’re spouting nonsense. His lawyers can file whatever documents they feel are relevant in such a case. You’re making excuses, not sense.
Then you have no business quoting her since her statements are demonstrably false and don't prove anything.
Then you have no business quoting her since her statements are demonstrably false and don’t prove anything.
No one of any significance to the issue of Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president has accused the former Governor of making false statements; just some weirdos posting on a few loser internet sites.
I'm sorry. Did I use a word you don't understand?? Please look up the word "demonstrably."
Do you still believe claims from Colin Powell’s presentation to UN about readily deployable WMDs in Iraq? Even the CIA director said that the case was a “slam dunk”. The high ranking government officials always tell the truth, right?
You are relying on Obama telling the truth about receiving the document from Hawaii DoH.
There is no reason to rely on a word spoken by a habitual liar. There is an easy way to verify his claim, and it involves the release of PUBLIC information that should not depend on his willingness to approve the release of data.
The DoH has been asked to confirm that they issued COLB to Obama on June 6, 2007 and they REFUSE to do so. I cannot think of a more trivial confirmation.
You know that registration number 10641 does not fit well the Date Filed (August 8, 1961), do you?
Compare the alleged Obama certificate with Nordyke long form certificates and explain how is it possible that certificates originating in the same hospital could be processed three days apart and Obama receiving higher number three days earlier if local birth registrar sent registrations to the central DoH office on WEEKLY basis?
Obama’s document should have shown the same Date Filed as Nordyke certificates (August 11, 1961), if the official story about Kapiolani birth were true.
Unfortunately for Obots, the official story is a lie and the COLB is a forgery.
Magic explanation is simple: “unattended birth Registration”.
If the records can be released under a subpoena at any time, why would a Republican administration risk their reputations and credibility to defend a leftist Democrat?
“The president was born at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii and that’s just a fact.”
“It’s been established. He was born here.”—Linda , Governor of Hawaii
Obama could file a birth certificate if he wanted, but the court wouldn't do anything with it unless they had accepted a properly framed legal case in which it was relevant. Every single case to date would have been rejected exactly as it was without the court making any effort to authenticate a document Obama submitted. You're simplistic TV show fantasies simply serve to agitate you.
So?...Is this an admission that Obama has NOT provided **all** or the **best** evidence?
It really is very simple to absolutely prove that one is a natural born citizen. Unanointed Americans do this routinely for many reasons.
Obama hasn't proven that he is a natural born citizen with all of the best evidence because it is likely that he can't.
It simply means that your parroted pretensions of self importance and righteousness mean nothing to anyone but you. That’s true of most delusions. If all they do is upset you, you should probably find a new hobby.
The truth is Obama has been politely asked by ordinary citizens and a few military officers to prove with **all** the **best** evidence that he is a natural born citizen.
The truth is that this **best** evidence consists of **common** documents that ordinary Americans routinely release for many reasons far less important than being president of the United States of America.
The truth is Obama refused and spent considerable private and tax dollars to prevent the release of this best evidence.
The American people ( even the “Tingle” Chrissy Matthews) are asking, “Why?” and “What's going on here?”
Mr. Obama is losing BIG TIME in the most important court of all: The court of public opinion.
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