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Vitriol And Violence (LAT Times Masthead Editorial)
Los Angeles Times ^ | 1/11/2011 | Los Angeles Times Masthead Editorial

Posted on 01/11/2011 10:01:38 AM PST by goldstategop

The right bears the brunt of responsibility for this poisoned atmosphere, but it by no means has a monopoly on hate-inspiring political speech. The resulting hyper-partisanship is bad not because it encourages political assassinations but because it debases discourse and fuels anger, incivility and stubbornness. The deliberative bodies that run government can only function smoothly if they're composed of reasonable people willing to act in the interest of the nation and capable of compromise; does that sound like today's Congress? Saturday's shootings don't justify an attempt to, as a Wall Street Journal editorial put it Monday, "rule certain people and opinions out of bounds." But they offer an opportunity to tone down the vitriol.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: az; blametheright; drivebymedia; giffords; losangelestimes; msm; reichstagfire; tucsonmassacre; vitriol
Another day, another lecture to conservatives to sit down and shut up - AKA "tone down the vitriol." Why? "The right bears the brunt of responsibility for this poisoned atmosphere." That's why. Sentence first, verdict afterward. The MSM, in infinite wisdom, reading from its "damned partisan conservatives" template, has passed judgment. And it striking its nearly uniform.
1 posted on 01/11/2011 10:01:43 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

“The right bears the brunt of responsibility for this poisoned atmosphere...”

BS.

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621


2 posted on 01/11/2011 10:08:50 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: goldstategop
Dear LAT

KMA.

3 posted on 01/11/2011 10:10:21 AM PST by skeeter
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To: goldstategop
Clearly, the Left is responsible for the division that now exists in America. They have been on a march to power for decades and do not like it when someone (i.e. the Tea Party this time) throws a wrench into their plans. They will say and do anything to get that power back, and have no shame in the way they go about doing it.

This editorial has been written as if none of the true facts in this attack had ever been discovered. The media is simply trying to create their own reality in the hopes that it will do some damage to Palin and the Tea Party movement. Maybe they'll succeed, maybe they won't. But for us on the right, we really don't need to pay attention to them anymore, other than to find out the latest Democrat talking points. In terms of factual reporting, the "mainstream" media has long since jumped the shark.

4 posted on 01/11/2011 10:20:31 AM PST by Major Matt Mason (Democrat Motto - "A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can put its pants on.")
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To: goldstategop

This moronic editorial board is deaf to the Chicago thuggery of the past 3 years.


5 posted on 01/11/2011 10:21:16 AM PST by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will continue to have more relevant quality executive experience than B. Obama.)
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To: goldstategop

The Left poisons the political atmosphere all the time, but to the media, that can’t be the problem.

The “political atmosphere” had nothing to do with this guy’s actions. Blame bad grammar, if you must blame something.


6 posted on 01/11/2011 10:30:15 AM PST by popdonnelly (Your political opponents want you to shut up.)
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NO.


7 posted on 01/11/2011 10:37:46 AM PST by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: Major Matt Mason
Clearly, the Left is responsible for the division that now exists in America.

Has there ever been a mass killing that the left didn't try to blame us for?

8 posted on 01/11/2011 10:39:16 AM PST by GOPJ (When liberals are FORCED to pay for Rush Limbaugh's show, I'll be happy to pay for NPR.)
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To: goldstategop

Whatever happened to “No justice, no peace”? The Left used to like saying things like that.


9 posted on 01/11/2011 10:39:24 AM PST by Hunton Peck ("Round up the usual Tea Partiers!")
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To: goldstategop
The right bears the brunt of responsibility for this poisoned atmosphere...

Bill Ayers, Nidal Hasan and Cindy Sheehan could not be reached for comment, eh?

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10 posted on 01/11/2011 10:42:33 AM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: goldstategop

Tolerance of the left...

UCLA Professor calls for a Mexican revolution in the United States at UCLA La Raza rally

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2010/05/ucla-professor-calls-for-mexican-revolution-in-the-united-states/

http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/ron-gochez-anti-semitic-social-justice.html


11 posted on 01/11/2011 10:44:12 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (Buckeye Grad Class of '82)
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To: goldstategop

What is it that the Left really object to about the passion of the political rhetoric of Conservatives? They object to the fact that that passion says: “We will NOT follow them quietly into their ‘good’ night.”


12 posted on 01/11/2011 11:15:03 AM PST by Wuli
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To: goldstategop

Dear Los Angeles Times:

Vitriol’s red and
Violence Blue;
Commies are Red
And so are you!


13 posted on 01/11/2011 12:50:27 PM PST by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: goldstategop
The Clearest Lesson Concerning the Violence in Tucson, is Essentially Unrealted to the Violence in Tucson

The clearest lesson concerning the violence in Tucson, is essentially unrelated to the violence in Tucson.  This is true, because there is only one lesson concerning the violence in Tucson, and that lesson is that you cannot eliminate every bad thing from taking place in society.  There's no magical explanation for what took place.  There is no one else to blame.  One person who clearly has mental problems, exploded on the sidewalks of Tucson.  End of story.

The perp was a mentally unstable individual.  That's the long and the short of it, or at least it should be.  Instead we have people who are paid to express their opinions in public, displaying a mental disconnect that rivals that of the perp.  Sarah Palin approved of a graphic that had either gun scope cross hairs or a surveyors symbol over districts that she wanted to see change parties in November 2010.  This in the mind of some people, was equated to her designating people she wanted to have gunned down.  Oh sure, they will deny what I just said all day long, but of course they can't stop connecting the dots that would lead people to this one conclusion at the same time.  Palin approved of the symbols.  People were killed.  Palin is an evil person.  Folks, make no mistake about it, this is dangerous rhetoric.  This seeks to blame Palin for murder.  It's Palin's fault that a Congresswoman, a Judge, an eleven year old girl, and a number of others were shot, or shot and killed.  Connect the Leftist dots damn it!

Never mind that Palin has never urged anyone to do anything negative to any public figure.  Never mind that Palin has only sought to see members of her own party be elected to public office.  Never mind that Congresswoman Giffords was a person who seemed to be a moderate Democrat.  Never mind that Giffords supported reducing public spending, supported getting our borders under control, and other things a Conservative would appreciate.  Sarah Palin wanted her dead, according to "journalists" and "editors".  Either that or these journalists and editors thought that she was so out of touch with reality, that she didn't quite understand that her actions would drive someone over the edge.  Were these journalists and editors 'almost' driven over the edge?  Is that why they have jumped to these illogical conclusions?  Are they mentally deficient?  Are they on the verge of going postal, or is it just that they think you and I and most other members of our populace can't see a scope cross hair on a map, without raising our arms out front of us and start lurching forward to commit some evil act we have no control over?  Seriously, these journalists and editors need help.  No, perhaps it is us who need help, to be spared reading such mentally deficient, insightful, and exploitive trash in public.  BTW, don't mention to these folks that Democrats used gun scope type targets on districts in 2007.  We don't want them looking that up, and taking the risk that will finish the job Palin couldn't accomplish on her own... as if!

Let's talk about rhetoric for a moment.  Attributing unspeakable acts of violence like this to having been caused by the public pronouncements of Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and Rush Limbaugh, is not violent rhetoric?  Blaming them for these deaths and injuries is not insightful?  The editor who wrote this article essentially had a gun in his hand, and was waving it in front of a group of people, hoping it would go off.  Palin, Beck, or Limbaugh need to be taken out.  Look what they are causing folks.  Isn't it time we put and end to this?  Well?  Vitriol and violence indeed!  Who takes this ass-hat to task?  They want folks that think like me silenced.  They want Palin, Beck, and Limbaugh silenced.  Who confronts them then?

Oh the writers of these screeds will deny it until the cows come home, but they think these three people are guilty of getting people killed.  It wasn't one hour after the shootings in Tucson before the New York Times and the Washington Post were damning the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and probably his dogs too, of having blood on their hands.  You and I, if we ever listened to Sarah, Glenn, or Rush, should never forget what we caused.  We have blood on our hands folks.  The perp wasn't the problem.  These public figures and you and I were.

Who made these comments?  "“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,”  Was that Sarah, Glenn, or Rush?  Well, it was Obama.  Did the Left take him to task for it?  Did the L. A. Times produce editorials condemning him?  Did they tie dead people to him, and accuse him of getting them killed?  Who had hoodlum thugs out front of a polling station, carrying batons?  Republicans?  No, Democrats.  Who was the organization affiliated with, that went out registering people who were not qualified to vote?  Republicans?  No, Democrats.  Who turned a funeral into a political rally trashing Republicans in the process?  Who is it that wants to make sure every internet user has a dedicated specific I.D.?  Who is it that would like to see the fairness doctrine reinstated to silence their opponents?  Republicans?  No, Democrats. Who is it that is trying to change rules so that only local content can be aired on radio stations, so syndicated programs like Limbaugh, Beck, and others can't get their views aired on a syndicated radio network?  It the Democrats.

It's a crackup to see folks trash Rush for revealing what takes place in Washington backed up by facts, while Obama or the media merely issues a slander of Palin, Beck, and Rush, without any and are adored for it.

I could go on for hours talking about the people who charge others with insighting violence.  I could mention union thugs, but why bother.  There's one test of who actually gives a damn about the victims of violence.  When this idiot is taken to court, you watch which groups seek to defend him for paying with his life for killing these innocent people.

It will be the Democrats and their fellow travelers using every trick in the book to explain why he isn't responsible, he shouldn't be punished, why he needs help not hate, and why he shouldn't spend a single day in prison, because he's clearly mentally deficient. And if he is mentally deficient, then that zeros out any statement that has been made that others are responsible for his actions.  Mentally deficient people's minds don't work like yours and mine.  You can't explain why they do things.  Out of the blue they just do them.  Did Palin's cross hairs cause this guy to kill a nine year old?  Of course not.  Still, for good measure, let's just damn Palin, Beck, and Limbaugh one more time for what took place.  They deserve it.

"Why we can politicize this event, slander people, try to destroy them in the minds of the public, because a person with a mental problem killed people.  We can't pass this chance up."

I think we can all comprehend the shortcomings of a person with a mental disorder.  It's a lot harder to understand the sick mind that claims to be healthy and logical, that seeks to exploit the evil perpetrated, for political and social change.

Folks, please cover your eyes whenever Palin, Beck, or Limbaugh put anything out, lest they have cross hairs on them and you can't help yourself.

Journalists, Editors, there is help out there.  Please call a mental health hotline today.  You've seen the cross hairs.  It's only a matter of time and you know it.  You just can't help yourselves.  Make the call...

Vile leftists, we know what you are up to.  We are sick of it.  You are destroying yourselves.  Look at how many seats you lost this last election.  I have seen what you have been willing to do so far, but what next?  What won't you do to destroy this nation?  Anything at all?  Is there anything you won't do?

That is the lesson from this event.  What won't Leftists do to destroy people they don't like, and this nation along with them?  After all, they detest it too...  Just listen to them.

Free speech?  They hate it.
Gun ownership for self protection?  They hate it.
A military to protect us?  They hate it.
Fighting terrorists on their own soil instead of ours?  They hate it.
People getting to keep their own money, instead of paying it out in taxes?  They hate it.
Strong businesses that employ people and make big profits for stockholders?  They hate it.
People with wealth?  They hate them.
Banks?  They hate them?
Wall Street?  They hate it.
The Lending industry?  They hate it.
Capitalism?  They hate it.
People who die and hand off their savings and property to their children?  They hate them.
Our U. S. Constitution?  They hate it.
Our Flag (now a supposed symbol of racism)?  They hate it.
Our borders?  They hate it.
Our citizens vs foreign nationals here illegally?  They hate them.
Talking about issues based on the merits?  They hate it.

Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, guilty of exercising the second amendment?  String them up.

We have nothing to fear from the occasional mental health wing-nut as a nation, as tragic and unacceptable as the devistation they will cause is.  Our hearts have broken over the victims in Tucson, but a person like this individual will never take down our society.  People on the Left willing and eager to exploit this situation.  There's your real threat to this nation. This is the clearest indication yet.

This is the clearest lesson from Tucson, if you really give a damn.  But then it really isn't about Tucson is it.  If it wasn't Tuscon, it would be something else.  It's about an agenda and any means necessary.

The ends justify them, in the minds of the real danger to us.  And silencing Palin, Beck, and Limbaugh is worth any price to them.

Are you willing to pay it?  Count this citizen out.

Keep it up Leftists.  The more people who understand what you are all about, and what despicable tactics you are willing to employ to achieve your goals, the better.


14 posted on 01/11/2011 1:05:28 PM PST by DoughtyOne (All hail the Kenyan Prince Obama, Lord of the Skid-mark, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: jimfree
This moronic editorial board is deaf to the Chicago thuggery of the past 3 years.

Of course not, they can hear it perfectly.

The goonsquad stuff and Communist prolefeed and race-baiting "they bring a knife, we bring a gun" stuff just sounds like Vivaldi's Four Seasons to them.

15 posted on 01/11/2011 4:42:07 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: GOPJ
Has there ever been a mass killing that the left didn't try to blame us for?

Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge. I think we got away with that one.

Or was that just "blowback"?

16 posted on 01/11/2011 4:44:13 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
I was thinking of the US... didn't the MSM try to pin the Times Square attempt on us? Their bad luck that the guy was caught... We were blamed for the Jack Kennedy killing - the ‘atmosphere in Dallas”... turned out it was a communists - but what the hay...
17 posted on 01/11/2011 6:27:07 PM PST by GOPJ (When liberals are FORCED to pay for Rush Limbaugh's show, I'll be happy to pay for NPR.)
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