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Diesel era ends for MTA buses (natural gas buses more expensive to buy and maintain)
Los Angeles Times ^
| 1/12/11
| Dan Weikel
Posted on 01/12/2011 9:39:52 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
natural gas buses more expensive to buy and maintain I'm for converting some of our fleet to NG in preparation for a day when diesel may become unavailable for numerous reasons.
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posted on
01/12/2011 9:45:03 AM PST
by
Errant
To: NormsRevenge
One could also put CNG intake air fumigation on a diesel and reduce emissions 66% (and continue driving if you run out of CNG.)
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posted on
01/12/2011 9:47:09 AM PST
by
IamConservative
(Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day. - Truman)
To: Errant
but that the increased expenses are offset over the long run by lower fuel costs. Sounds like a good reason to do it now. I believe Natural Gas is going to be even lower in the future compared to diesel.
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posted on
01/12/2011 9:49:16 AM PST
by
thackney
(life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
To: NormsRevenge
We have an old 1950’s GMC truck on the farm that’s been running on natural gas since the 1960’s...I used to drive it all the time. It’s a much cleaner burning gas, so I don’t know why they think they’re more expensive to maintain.
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posted on
01/12/2011 9:55:22 AM PST
by
RowdyFFC
(.)
To: thackney
I think you’re probably right. Even if you’re not, ensuring the delivery of goods and services in the event of a shortage or unavailability of diesel justifies an added expense. We’re only a few days away from empty grocery store shelve if the trucks stop rolling.
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posted on
01/12/2011 9:58:03 AM PST
by
Errant
To: NormsRevenge; sully777; vigl; Cagey; Abathar; A. Patriot; B Knotts; getsoutalive; muleskinner; ...
Rest In Peace, old friend, your work is finished.....
If you want ON or OFF the DIESEL KnOcK LIST just FReepmail me.....
This is a fairly HIGH VOLUME ping list on some days.....
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posted on
01/12/2011 10:01:46 AM PST
by
Red Badger
(Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing something right.)
To: NormsRevenge
It will take an ice age to deprogram airheads from global-warming propaganda. Leftists have selling stupid down to a science.
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posted on
01/12/2011 10:04:43 AM PST
by
pallis
To: NormsRevenge
I would have thought that NG vehicles would be LESS expensive to maintain. Perhaps leaks are problematic?
Mike
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posted on
01/12/2011 10:13:06 AM PST
by
MichaelP
(It's the end of the world as they know it, and I'm so glad!)
To: RowdyFFC
I agree. You don’t get all the diesel combustion contaminates in the oil, and there are practically no carbon deposits in the heads.
To: NormsRevenge
Transit officials estimate that the elimination of diesel engines has reduced the release of cancer-causing particulates from the bus fleet by 80% Is that according to the now discredited CARB study of the effects of Diesel on human health?
What about this CARB study that says clean Diesel procudes fewere emmissions than CNG?
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posted on
01/12/2011 10:31:36 AM PST
by
Yo-Yo
(Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
To: Yo-Yo
Maybe I've been sniffing Diesel fumes. Let's try again:
What about this CARB study that says clean Diesel produces fewer emmissions than CNG?
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posted on
01/12/2011 10:33:18 AM PST
by
Yo-Yo
(Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
To: Yo-Yo
The whole reason for running diesel engines in the first place is POWER. The torq delivered in a diesel cannot be duplicated by a gas engine. Which spells towing capability. It is not horsepower that gets that 60,000 pound load to the top of the mountain, it is Torq that does that. And diesel engines are the only means to produce that kind of torq in an extremely efficient form.
Diesels deliver over 3 times the torq of a gas engine; Especially NG engines. That is because of the combustible nature of paraffin based fuel. (Cetane ratings)
This whole hype will prove to be a great error.
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posted on
01/12/2011 10:46:31 AM PST
by
PSYCHO-FREEP
( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
To: Errant
I'm for converting some of our fleet to NG in preparation for a day when diesel may become unavailable for numerous reasons. With the earth awash in oil, that may take several thousand years.
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posted on
01/12/2011 10:47:32 AM PST
by
Balding_Eagle
(Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
To: PSYCHO-FREEP
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posted on
01/12/2011 10:56:28 AM PST
by
thackney
(life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
To: NormsRevenge
This situation is unique given the natural smog issues in the LA Basin and the unique geography that causes the problem. This is the right move for them but that doesn’t necessarily mean it is the right move anywhere else.
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posted on
01/12/2011 10:56:35 AM PST
by
NonValueAdded
(Palin 2012: don't retreat, just restock [chg'd to comply w/ The Civility in Discourse Act of 2011])
To: Yo-Yo
Europeans have proven diesel technology but you have to pay such a large premium to get a diesel vehicle from overseas in the States, that it is cost prohibitive, like there something evil about the latest diesel technology (only that it would be competitive).
In the meantime, diesel driven trucks and tractors supply the US with whatever they need and make the world go round.
Nothing wrong with natural gas either (except it’s competitive).
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posted on
01/12/2011 11:02:51 AM PST
by
Razzz42
To: RowdyFFC
I dont know why they think theyre more expensive to maintain.My thought also. Cleaner burning, use much less oil.
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posted on
01/12/2011 11:05:19 AM PST
by
Vinnie
To: Yo-Yo
Fossil Fuel Emission Levels - Pounds per Billion Btu of Energy Input
Pollutant |
Natural Gas |
Oil |
Coal |
Carbon Dioxide |
117,000 |
164,000 |
208,000 |
Carbon Monoxide |
40 |
33 |
208 |
Nitrogen Oxides |
92 |
448 |
457 |
Sulfur Dioxide |
1 |
1,122 |
2,591 |
Particulates |
7 |
84 |
2,744 |
Mercury |
0.000 |
0.007 |
0.016 |
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posted on
01/12/2011 11:15:03 AM PST
by
Errant
To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Energy content of fuels role.
Fuel |
BTU/Gal |
Gasoline |
125,000 |
Diesel |
138,700 |
CNG |
90,800 |
Engine efficiency plays a major role.
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posted on
01/12/2011 11:23:30 AM PST
by
Errant
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