Posted on 01/15/2011 2:24:43 PM PST by BigReb555
Beautiful town that Winchester,we visited the Stonewall Jackson headquarters there
If only Jackson had been with Lee at Gettysburg....
What would world history be like if there had been two hostile nations sharing this continent for the past 150 years?
Out of curiosity, do Texans with Mexican roots revere the memory of General Santa Anna (of Alamo fame) and celebrate his birthday?
Here we go again...
Just FYI...Davis, Lee, and other high-level Confederate officials were not tried because the U.S. government was very much afraid that its courts would rule secession completely legal and constitutional. To this day, the courts have NEVER ruled on the legality of secession.
The Hidden Power article (14.5) has very strong proof of this and the following 12 points. Please judge for yourself about what the report says. I have briefly summarized what it says below but there is much more. It is worth spending a few days to read it. It claims all the recent wars over about the last 200 years were deliberately caused by the international bankers and people trying to control the world. The article states the wars were deliberately funded and agitated by hate propaganda through the conspirators’ media.
Boom and bust cycles along with the depressions, stock market crashes and wars are deliberately caused to cause people to lose money to the conspirators. They also weaken the people and tame governments into accepting the conspirators’ solutions.
The history books controlled by the conspiracy do not tell the full truth on why many events happen. For example the conspirators blame slavery for the American civil war but the real reason was to establish a central bank in the USA and to force a war to enable them to lend money at interest. The war caused a need for the North to borrow money and the bankers bribed congress that a central bank was needed for this and also threatened congress and senators. The North won and the bank was established.
The conspirators bribed members of the government by paying them and having them work for the bank. Intense deceptive media publicity convinced the public and politicians of the benefit of the Federal Reserve Act. It was done in ways such as by lying and saying that the banks will reduce boom and bust cycles. The Federal Reserve Act was passed near Christmas when few people were present to vote against it.
Hitler was funded by the USA and Britain to create a bigger war. The U.S. government controlled by the bankers conspiracy, wanted Hitler to invade America but he declined due to the risk of the number of Americans with guns. The U.S. government also encouraged Japan to invade Pearl harbour to get America into the war.
The bankers funded Arab and Japanese companies to buy up property around the world so the bankers could gain more control of it.
Manipulation of agriculture has and will be used to force the population to accept the conspirators’ demands such as having to surrender guns to get food.
The U.S deliberately tried to lose the Korean and Vietnam War so the communists would remain with territory. The war was to make it acceptable to fight under NATO and UN command.
Although involved with the conspiracy since his initial rise to power, President Kennedy was killed by an agent of the conspiracy for wanting to pull out of Vietnam and printing silver currency.
Many countries now with conflicts had peace until the influence of International Bankers Conspiracy.
The collapse of the Soviet Union was a hoax to fool the world into a false sense of security and also to slowly cause the world to accept communism. The bankers funded the Soviet Union to create an arms race, which cost time and money. Also it caused the nations to gladly surrender their arms in the name of peace so that the goal of a one-world army could be formed under the control of the United Nations.
In World War 2 the US and British government controlled by the bankers succeeded in getting the Soviet Union to control much of Eastern Europe.
They can control the weather for Biological warfare. They are deliberately ruining the environment to gain more control.
We homeschooled and always did something WbtS related on Martin Luther King Day, I mean Robt E. Lee’s Birthday, which is what we celebrate in our home.
My understanding is that the was required to take the same oath upon each promotion. If that's the case, then as a full Colonel in the U.S. Army, Lee would have taken that oath seven times, by my count.
I'm unaware of any oath that Lee took to preserve, protect, and defend Virginia, although times were different and the concept of federalism was stronger before the War Between the States. Nothing in the officer's oath said "of course, this oath is trumped by allegiance to an individual state."
Lee resigned his commission before taking up arms against the United States. I don't understand how that released him completely from his oath to the United States. A first- or second-generation German immigrant who graduated from West Point would certainly be considered a traitor if he had resigned his commission and accepted one to fight for Germany in WWI or WWII.
The Constitution of the United States defines as a treasonable offense any “act of war” against the United States or any “aid and comfort” given to enemies of the United States. Construing the acts of the Confederate States of America against the Union as something other than an 'act of war' or as constituting the acts of an 'enemy' require some rationalization.
One would have to believe that loyalty to state automatically trumped the officer's oath, although that prior loyalty was unspoken. Or that, by resigning a commission, the oath becomes null and void. Or that Virginia's secession somehow made the officer's oath irrelevant.
Lee was by virtually all accounts a gentleman. It requires more rationalization and perhaps some sophistry to say he was other than a traitor. He may have been a man of his word when it came to personal dealings, but when he took perhaps the most solemn oath he ever took, he was not a man of his word.
I'll be flamed for this, I'm certain.
If George Washington took a similar oath to protect and defend King George, then he was a traitor, too.
It was the south that fired the first shot..
That's certainly the argument made by some. However, when seeking to have his treason indictment dismissed, Jefferson Davis’s lawyers didn’t raise the constitutionality of secession as a defense. They raised clause 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment - stating that Davis' constitutional disqualification from public office was punishment and that trying him again for treason would constitute double jeopardy.
Davis' case was certified to the Supreme Court. As Salmon P. Chase and other justices considered the clause 3 argument, President Andrew Johnson granted a full pardon to all Confederates for the “offence of treason.” The point was then moot.
Justice Salmon P. Chase later ruled against the constitutionality of secession in Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868). “The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States.” Texas v. White at 725.
I am sure old Bobby Lee felt the same way and I raise a glass to his character.
“If only Jackson had been with Lee at Gettysburg....”
The North still had the high ground. With Jackson would Lee
have withdrawn or would it have been such a total bloodfest
none of us would be here now?
Interesting point, by the way.
Robert E. Lee’s grave is in a building on the campus of Washington and Lee University, and his office is kept as it was during his lifetime. Stonewall Jackson’s grave is in a cemetery about a mile away (his birthday is Jan. 21)...easy to find because there is an equestrian statue marking the grave.
God Bless The General Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson and their steeds Traveller and Little Sorrel...
DEO VINDICE
http://newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin632.htm
1. Robert E. Lee did not betray his oath as an officer. He resigned his commission and returned home. Only when President Lincoln called for 100,000 volunteer and it became obvious that federal troops would invade Virginia did Lee take up the sword, in defense of his state. You need to remember that the feeling of most Southerners (and the original intent of the Constitution) was for strong states and limited federal government.
2. Robert E. Lee, and many other Christian men in the South had no love for slavery. In fact, Lee freed his slaves and Stonewall Jackson was opposed to slavery.
3. The South fought a losing battle against encroaching federal power. I feel far more kinship with those men than Obama, Reid, and Pelosi.
We are soon reaching the point when there will have to be another stand taken again federal power. Let us pray that this one will be peaceful.
“I cannot raise my hand against my birthplace, my home, my children ...”
His heart must have been torn in half all through the War.
(In which I had ancestors on both sides.)
BTW, gents, this thread is useless without pictures! :-)
oh boy....behold the man on a pale white horse...
“Robert E. Lee is no hero. Like Jefferson Davis, Lee is a traitor to the United States of America. Period!”
That smack to the back of your head was your screen namesake Ronald Reagan reaching out of the grave to try and knock some sense into you.
Lee, like Reagan, was one of the finest Americans this country ever produced, he lived and fought with honor and dignity. The enduring respect his legacy engenders is something you should be in awe of, not ignorant of.
“Robert E. Lee undoubtedly acquired his love of country from those who had lived during the American Revolution.”
I suspect a kind of delusional revisionist history here. He loved it so much he left it and fought for secession, the same side that cheated the election of a Constitution for Kansas, jacked the ballot choice, and when that didn’t work, bribed congressmen for passage with money from the treasury, among other usavory and things. With friends like that who need enemies?
Justice Salmon P. Chase later ruled against the constitutionality of secession in Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868). “The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States.” Texas v. White at 725.
This is what senile people decide.Dream on.
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