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Camden, NJ braces for deep police, fire cuts
ap ^ | Jan 16, 2011 | GEOFF MULVIHILL

Posted on 01/16/2011 5:41:19 PM PST by george76

Deep layoffs of city workers go into effect on Tuesday - cutting up to 383 jobs, or one-fourth of the city's employees. The exact number depends on whether public workers' unions make last-minute concessions...

Three of Camden's past seven mayors have been sent to prison for corruption, including one who was convicted while he was still running the city.

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.myway.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: camden; corruption; unions

1 posted on 01/16/2011 5:41:23 PM PST by george76
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To: george76

If you hate having to get up every morning to go to work, unionize.


2 posted on 01/16/2011 5:44:30 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("New laws are always a "good idea" until the first time you have to enforce them." - Unknown)
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To: george76

“deep cuts”

Yeah - they’ve been using that a lot recently. They like that one.

“painful cuts” is another one.

Damn them.


3 posted on 01/16/2011 5:45:45 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Capitol Hill operator 866-727-4894 toll free. Just say which Representative/Senator you want to spea)
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To: george76
"Camden, NJ braces for deep police, fire cuts - City Pensions, Diversity Department, and Bisexual Arts Programs to Remain Untouched"


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

4 posted on 01/16/2011 5:46:36 PM PST by The Comedian ("Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" - B. Goldwater)
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To: Blue Jays
Camden was a nice city....maybe around 1885 or so!
5 posted on 01/16/2011 5:47:38 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: george76

The Maggie Thatcher - “running out of other people’s money” time may be close.

Christie said fuggetabout-it. Obama cannot let them sell those phony Build America Bonds with a GOP House AFAIK.

Who is going to muni bonds from a city with no tax base, rampant crime and a fourth world citizenry?


6 posted on 01/16/2011 5:49:35 PM PST by Frantzie (Slaves do not have freedom only the illusion of freedom & their cable TV to drool at)
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To: Blue Jays

My prediction is that you are not going to see a huge increase in crime in Camden once they cut the police force.

Police have not impact on deterring crime, they merely show up after the fact to document it.


7 posted on 01/16/2011 5:50:16 PM PST by WaterBoard
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To: george76

“Three of Camden’s past seven mayors have been sent to prison for corruption....”

Look on the bright side, the majority haven’t been sent to jail.


8 posted on 01/16/2011 5:50:41 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: george76

Instead of eliminating every program that they have no business in, they forever go after police and fire first. Why? Because they know the police and fire cuts will never stick. In the end, nothing is cut.


9 posted on 01/16/2011 5:51:10 PM PST by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: george76
No biggie. I took a wrong turn one time outside Philly and ended up in Camden. Obvious then that it was No Man's Land. Wouldn't go back with-out automatic weapons back up. No Americans live there, only shit-eating barbarians.
10 posted on 01/16/2011 5:52:07 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: george76

Anyone who has ever seen Camden in person would be surprised to learn that the city actually had a police force or a fire department to begin with.


11 posted on 01/16/2011 5:53:37 PM PST by wideawake
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To: george76
never cuts to the useless eaters... always the protection services

drug test all the welfarerats and kick off all that fail!!!

12 posted on 01/16/2011 5:54:09 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“If you hate having to get up every morning to go to work, unionize.”

If we could only get rid of all the No good corrupt, greedy, self serving scum that seems to infest this country at all levels from the WH down to the local dawg catcher in the smallest town. We would be by far the most powerful and revired Nation on the face of the planet. But I fear it will never happen. we would have to have another Joe McCarthy to do so.


13 posted on 01/16/2011 5:56:56 PM PST by mongo141
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To: Chode
never cuts to the useless eaters... always the protection services drug test all the welfarerats and kick off all that fail!!!

Any city that can't meet its budget is too poor to support welfare recipients. Cancel welfare for all city residents, make them move elsewhere.

14 posted on 01/16/2011 5:57:14 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: WaterBoard

As a retired cop I have to agree with you. We are usually after the fact. Don’t feel sorry for the citizens of Camden. The neighborhoods reflect those who choose to live there.


15 posted on 01/16/2011 6:00:35 PM PST by animal172 (Where are you America?)
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To: Blue Jays

Like Poughkeepsie it’s a great place to pick your feet. People need to know.


16 posted on 01/16/2011 6:04:44 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Because the left is ugly and the right is beautiful.)
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To: Blue Jays

When I lived in Camden County, NJ in the mid-to-late seventies, the city of Camden was a total sh*thole, the armpit of New Jersey. I would say that calling it a third-world cesspool would be a gross understatement.


17 posted on 01/16/2011 6:06:02 PM PST by AdvisorB (Dilma is "hope and change" Brazilian style.)
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To: animal172

We left the Fairview section 13 years ago. It was the last nice section of the city. Now it’s just like every other part of Camden.


18 posted on 01/16/2011 6:07:15 PM PST by mkmensinger
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To: AdvisorB
Camden was a great place at the turn of the century. Walt Whitman lived there to his death, and lots of the wealthy from Philadelphia lived there. My family came from there during that time frame and lived there until the depression era. It was still fine then, but it was fading. When they built the Ben Franklin bridge in the 20s they decided it needed to go right through the most affluent neighborhood in town and so they bulldozed all the best houses. Consequently, the rich moved out of town and didn't return. The 60s put a stake in the heart of whatever hope was left there and essentially all the blue collar whites moved out except for a few pockets like Cramer Hill. When you see the rich and the working class abandon a place you get Detroit or Camden. Lots of democrat cronies get rich of course, but otherwise nothing good can ever come of that place again most likely.

A little tidbit, some years ago the glory hound DA of Camden, a guy named Asbell, came out and said his car had been shot up by drug dealers seeking to kill him for all the great work he was doing. I remember a cop at the time being quoted saying basically that he didn't buy it because if it were true, the drug dealers all knew that the cops would shut them down overnight so they wouldn't do something this dumb. Of course, the cop was right and it was a publicity stunt but the question was begged: if the cops can shut down the drug trade overnight, why don't they? And if they can but won't, is laying them off really going to make much of a difference?

19 posted on 01/16/2011 6:19:32 PM PST by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: george76

One of the most lawless and dydfunctional cities in America just worse. Way to go Camden!


20 posted on 01/16/2011 6:32:03 PM PST by dools0007world
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To: hinckley buzzard

“Obvious then that it was No Man’s Land.”

Definitely a war zone.


21 posted on 01/16/2011 7:14:36 PM PST by stilloftyhenight (Don't make me use uppercase.)
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To: pepsi_junkie
I had relatives that lived in Camden. They all moved out by the late 1960s. My 2 older brothers were born in Camden. I remember even in the early 1960s there were still some sections that were safe. Those old row homes were actually quite nice and spacious.
22 posted on 01/16/2011 7:34:09 PM PST by 4yearlurker (I can't afford anymore hope and change!!!!)
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To: sefarkas

The schools pull that same crap: “We’ll have to double class size, fire half the teachers, layoff janitors, etc. etc.” Meanwhile the administrators keep drawing $100,000 plus salaries until the scared public grants more taxes or another bond issue. Cheap trick, just like threatening to cut cops and firefighters.


23 posted on 01/16/2011 7:39:39 PM PST by pankot
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To: george76

This does not make sense. They are going to need those people after the real cuts come to all the social services programs.


24 posted on 01/16/2011 7:48:56 PM PST by Revel
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To: george76

How many city hall bureaucrats are getting cut? If the elected officials truly acted for the public’s best interest wouldn’t police and fire personnel be the last cut?


25 posted on 01/16/2011 8:52:28 PM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: george76

Maybe there’s nothing left to steal or burn anymore. Camden: the Detroit of New Jersey.


26 posted on 01/17/2011 5:02:29 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: george76

Does not matter to Illinois. Dem Rat Gov. just raised the state income tax 68%.

Thousands hired in Illinois ahead of new pension system

By SEAN DRISCOLL and ANDY BROWNFIELD
THE STATE JOURNAL-REGISTER
Posted Jan 16, 2011 @ 11:30 PM

When it comes to pensions in Illinois, a day can mean all the difference in the world.

Thanks to the eight-month span between Gov. Pat Quinn’s approval of a pension reform bill last spring and its implementation Jan. 1, any public worker hired in Illinois as late as Dec. 31 was enrolled in a far more lucrative pension plan than those hired after that date.

A GateHouse News Service analysis of pension data has identified nearly 19,000 public workers at all levels of Illinois government hired in that span, from bus drivers to university presidents.

http://www.sj-r.com/carousel/x1334356420/Thousands-hired-in-Illinois-ahead-of-new-pension-system


27 posted on 01/17/2011 6:28:58 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: wideawake

Exactly!


28 posted on 01/17/2011 2:48:05 PM PST by proudpapa
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To: george76

Are there no bureaucrats that can be cut?

Can they cut any ethnic community centers? gay libraries?

I’m sure they have a lot of PC spending they could eliminate


29 posted on 01/17/2011 3:42:07 PM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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To: The Comedian

As long as they don’t cut the Mexican/Gay Community Center & Dating Club they promise not to riot.


30 posted on 01/17/2011 3:43:24 PM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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To: george76

The “larger issue”:

“The larger issue, which is the most frightening and disturbing, is a governor of the state who tells the city of Camden, ‘You have to get your house in order and in four years, you have to be self-sufficient,’” he (Professor Gillette) said. “The idea that Camden could pull itself up by the bootstraps, that can’t happen.”


31 posted on 01/17/2011 5:21:19 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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