Posted on 01/20/2011 8:50:02 AM PST by MissesBush
Pressure was mounting on Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie today amid increasing confusion over whether President Obama was born there. Abercrombie said on Tuesday that an investigation had unearthed papers proving Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. He told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser: 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said. But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate. And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health. He said efforts were still being made to track down definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii. Abercrombie was asked: 'You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plan to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?' He acknowledged the birth certificate issue would have 'political implications' for the next presidential election 'that we simply cannot have'. President Obama on a visit to Hickam Air Force Base in Honolulu in December. The issue of trying to prove he was born in Hawaii rumbles on 'It's a matter of principle with me,' the 72-year-old said. 'I knew his mum and dad. I was here when he was born. Anybody who wants to ask a question honestly could have had their answer already.' Birthers insist Obama, born in 1961, is not eligible to be commander in chief. The reasons often vary, and have changed and expanded in the two years since the Internet rumour began.
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“So is he really believable or just another Democrat liar?”
I agree (see my post #81). My post merely corrects an earlier post and clarifies that Abercrombie actually claims something that few (if any) others claim (which, BTW, makes you wonder whether Obama Sr. and “wife” could have been together in Honolulu late in her pregnancy).
Well said.
I think he needs to be investigated, I spent some time searching Google last night but most was about the BC issue,
I wonder how much Obama paid the guy to lie.
I thought that Abercrombie had said that he saw Obama Sr. and Dunham together when Obama Sr. was studying there, before the baby was born. Not that it proves anything, but it is rather interesting that Abercrombie is one of the very few people who can even make *that* claim.
I found this
http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/AbercrombieLiar.htm
“This is a huge, coordinated political campaign by Abercrombie to discredit “Birthers.”
But Abercrombie put his foot in it when he told Sheryl Gay Stolberg, writer for The New York Times, that he remembered Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham bringing the baby to social events. The actual quote from the Times is:
“Mr. Abercrombie, 72, said that although he did not see the elder Obamas at the hospital with their newborn son, he did remember the couple bringing the baby to social events.”
That statement is demonstrably a lie. Stanley Ann Dunham left Hawaii days after Obama was born. It was impossible for Abercrombie to see “the couple bringing the baby to social events,” because Obama Sr. was in Hawaii, and Stanley Ann Dunham was in Seattle, Washington, 2678 air miles away.
Lets look at the evidence.
Anna and the infant Barry were in Washington state by August 1961, when she registered for classes at University of Washington using the Capitol Hill apartment address as her address. Anna Dunham started night classes at the University of Washington’s Fall semester on September 19, 1961. She was living at that address in fall of 1962 when Barbara Cannon Rusk visited her.
Susan Blake, a former Mercer Island city councilwoman, recalls that Dunham, who was calling herself Ann Obama at the time, visited her at her house in Mercer Island during the last week of August, 1961 (search Scribd on “Blake”). Blake said that Anna left Honolulu just as soon she had clearance from her doctor to travel with her new baby. He was just 3 weeks old the day of the visit. Anna had sent a postcard that she would be in town, and was staying with a friend of her mother’s. She drove out to Blake’s house in her mother’s friend’s car, and Blake and Dunham spent the entire day together.
Here is a video in which Susan Blake recalls the visit and said Stanley Ann didn’t know how to change diapers, and Dunham said to Blake, “Here, you do it.”
Here is a copy of Anna’s transcript from the University of Washington. It clearly shows her to have begun classes in Seattle on September 19, 1961. Anna took a full course load in the spring of 1962, and had her transcript transferred to the University of Hawaii after the fall 1962 semester.
Stanley Ann returned to Hawaii over the Christmas holiday period 1962/1963, and began classes at the University of Hawaii. Here is the documentation from the University of Hawaii, and here is additional documentation from Stuart Lau, University Registrar, University of Hawaii, that demonstrates Anna was not attending classes at the University of Hawaii, between the Fall of 1960 semester and the Spring semester of 1963.
Meanwhile, Obama Sr. was in Hawaii, attending classes at the university.
When Senior moved to Hawaii in June of 1959, it has been well documented that he originally lived in a room at the Atherton Y.M.C.A., not far from campus. He later moved to a small, single story wooden home located at 625 11th Ave., located in the St. Louis Heights area. Senior remained at 625 11th Ave., until he left Hawaii on June 22, 1962 — after graduation. Obama Sr. and Dunham never lived under the same roof together.”
"Internet rumor?" That's not true.
The Obama birth story was begun by Politifact, the political blog at the St. Petersburg Times in Florida.
They were researching an email rumor about Obama's name, and searched public records to debunk the rumor. It was only when they reported that the Obama campaign refused to provide the newspaper with a birth certificate that the "birther" scandal began.
From April 18, 2008: No Muhammed or Mohammed in Obama's name
We have now searched every public record we can access and find nothing to support the notion that Obama has a second middle name of "Muhammed" or "Mohammed."We have a copy of Obama's marriage certificate from the Cook County Bureau of Vital Statistics in Illinois.
We looked at Obama's driver's license record in the state of Illinois...
We searched property records for Obama...
We also found Obama's registration and disciplinary record with the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois.
We tried to obtain a copy of Obama's birth certificate, but his campaign would not release it and the state of Hawaii does not make such records public.
-PJ
Paul Ross, wondering where you read that about Scalia. Could explain why nothing ever is accepted by SCOTUS.
I see that you were right, and Abercrombie says that he recalls Barack and Dunham bringing their baby to social events in Honolulu:
“Mr. Abercrombie, 72, said that although he did not see the elder Obamas at the hospital with their newborn son, he did remember the couple bringing the baby to social events.”
OK, let's see if I got this straight . . . .
Everybody and his brother has been looking for Obama's original Certificate of Live Birth for over two years now, and you found a copy somewhere in the Internet? Color me skeptical. But let's assume, arguendo, that it isn't a hoax. You have Obama's grandmother, Madelyn Payne Dunham, registering her grandson's August 4 birth (in Kenya) with the Hawaii Department of Health on August 5, the day after he was born (actually, perhaps closer to two days after, since Kenya is on the other side of the international dateline so August 4 in Kenya was still August 3 in Hawaii). The certificate states that the baby was born in Honolulu, but with a footnote explaining that he was merely "registered" in Honolulu and was actually born in Kenya. There is a signature from someone named Martin Blaine Erickson (or Emerson?) on August 8 certifying Obama's live birth.
Two things stand out: If the grandmother was going to register Obama's birth with no evidence of anything, why would she say that her grandson was born in Kenya, where she could have just as easily said that he was born at home in Honolulu? (Remember, if her grandson was born in Kenya, he wouldn't be a U.S. citizen because he was the child of one foreigner and one U.S. citizen whose citizen parent hadn't lived in the U.S. for 5 years after turning 14, but if he was born in Hawaii he would be a U.S. citizen.) And how could this Martin Blaine Erickson fellow certify that Obama was born alive if Obama wasn't born in Hawaii (or did the guy witness Obama's birth in Kenya and fly to Hawaii in time to sign the certification)?
I Googled the Certificate of Live Birth, and it appears to be a hoax:
"Commander Charles Kerchner, issued this statement:
Atty Mario Apuzzo and I believe it is a forgery and a fraud … probably done by some Obot to get our side scurrying around with it.
The biggest reason we think it is a fraud is because the Hawaiian statute cited in the lower right corner as the version with the “.8″ amendment on the end, i.e., 338.17.8 did not exist in 1961. It was added to the statute in 1982. That jumped out at me right away. 338.17.8 did not apply to Obama in 1961 because it did not exist in the law books yet. But the registration of out of state children was permitted in 1961 under older laws such as the one in 1911 and another in 1955, as I recall off the top of my head.
But since this doc is citing 338.17.8 it cannot be the initial or original birth registration document.
Charles Kerchner"
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/19/the-blaine-document/
Personally, I think Abercrombie shot off his mouth without having a clue about the facts. He had no idea there was an issue—a huge one—with BO’s BC. I have thought this from the beginning. Mr. Aging Commie-Toker envisioned himself as a hero/giant-slayer. He, the great Abercrombie, would once and for all dispel the ‘birther’ myth, to the shame of those who have been asking only basic, reasonable questions, and to the everlasting gratitude of The One. It’s the kind of pipe dream he thought would earn him a place in history: the man who slew the ‘birther’ conspiracies, and paved the way for a triumphal Obama second term.
It blew up in his face. He’s come off sounding like a babbling ignoramus, and he’s opened Obama up to slews of escalating questions and ever-intensifying pressures.
Thank you, Abercrombie: you and your hippo mouth did for us what the knee-pad weasels in the MSM refused to do. You go, Gov—keep it up.
Could be, he looks like a blow hard.
All true—and yet the playing field has changed. After the great Abercrombie spoke, even the British papers picked up on it. They say the pressure is mounting. They are right. Prior to Hippo Mouth giving the issue a mega-boost, it was possible to write it all off as ‘kooky birthers’. All of a sudden it isn’t, and we’re not.
Thank you Mr. Maui Wowie Toker; you’ve done more good than you ever intended.
That would be my guess...that it is Roberts.
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