Posted on 01/25/2011 8:03:49 PM PST by RobinMasters
Psssst...I’m not a birther, but this whole McCain thing was nothing but blowing smoke. The ‘rats insisted on McCain proving his birth right, when there was no need to, and the Republicans caved.
There are very different circumstances WRT Obama.
Sorry, I got a bit grumpy.
“Citizen parents serving their country that have children born on American bases, embassies-——Natural Born Citizens, IMO.”
IMHO, you would be right. However, Obama’s case is very far from that. He had a foreign citizen father, which negates the rest of your post, among other things, like his adoption.
However, I don’t think that’s why we still haven’t seen the long form BC.
You are arguing the law, not the facts, in #51, and speciously. British, Kenyan, and Indonesian law are totally irrelevant to the question.
BTW, just for fun, there is also the fact that BHO was not validly married to Stanley Ann, since he already had a wife back in Kenya. That would make the British and Kenyan laws irrelevant on their own terms (not that their terms matter). It would also enable Stanley Ann to pass on her citizenship, despite her age, even if she gave birth in Mombasa.
We were talking about Mccain, for some odd reason.
The bottom line is the constitution gave congress the job of setting the standards, the minutia, if you will, regarding citizenship, natural and otherwise. They do it through legislation which is often exacted by the State or Immigration departments. If it does not follow common law or British tradition, so be it.
Without a doubt the dumbest conspiracy theory ever.
It is still very strange that no one in Hawaii ever heard of Zero and the fact that no one saw him in college. Smells foul. Ask Hawaiians who have lived in Hawaii their entire lives and no one remembers Zero even in school.
This Abercrombie thing has always felt like a set-up of some sort to me, in light of the fact that the progressives work so hard to “control the message”.
Now, we have a close friend” of Abercrombie revealing on a radio station their private conversation. What kind of friend does that? There are serious political implications to Abercrombie within his own party. His friend could do him grave damage. And yet, there is no hesitation to report this private conversation. His friend actually CALLS IN to report it!!!
I believe the set up is in the wording. No record for *Barak Obama*.
There’s some kind of record somewhere, and the set-up might be the Frank Marshall Davis route.
“Ta-Da!!! I told you I was a natural born citizen!!!”
Then of course we never pay attention to the Indonesian factor and the student aid received as a foreigner, etc.
Free pass to run in 2012.
” You are confusing the legal definition of citizenship, ..”
Which is exactly what the White House wants.
Gibbs always frames the issue as the “ birthers “ claim Barry is not a US citizen.
I expect the media to swallow Gibb’s lie , unfortunately too many
Republicans ( Cantor being the latest )
also show their ignorance .
The salient question is not simple citizenship .
White House Press Briefing July 27, 2009 :
BTW- Gibbs also claimed that he posted Obama’s
“ birth certificate “ on line.
Q Is there anything you can say that will make the birthers go away?
MR. GIBBS: No. (Laughter.) I mean, the God’s honest truth is no.
I mean, Bill, let’s understand this —
and I almost hate to indulge in such an august setting
as the White House
— and I mean this in seriousness — the White House briefing room discussing
the made-up, fictional nonsense
of whether or not the President
was born in this country.
A year-and-a-half ago I asked that the birth certificate be put on the Internet because lord knows,
you got a birth certificate
and you put it on the Internet,
what else could be the story?
Here’s the deal , Bill. ...blah, blah , blah
He’s a citizen.
MR. GIBBS: See, there we go. ...Blah, blah
But no, nothing will assuage them.
But there are 10,000 more important issues for people in this country to discuss,
rather than whether
or not the President is a citizen.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/briefing-white-house-press-secretary-robert-gibbs-7-27-09
Exactly; the same point I've made in this forum several times over the past two plus years. The birth certificate issue is a red herring ... it doesn't matter, Obama Sr. was a foreign born national who never had any intention of becoming a U.S. citizen. That clearly nullifies BHO Jr's eligibility.
If there were very different unrelated circumstances regarding Obama, why did the Repubs not insist on the Judiciary Committee forcing him to present documents and birth certificate?
The question came up just before Election ‘08 and people feared it was a trap and he would bring it out just before the election. Idiots... Abused again.
Without a legal BC, and all other records locked away, and no one spilling the beans, including the media and his supporters, and others already dead, how do you determine Obama’s father, hospital, doctor, witnesses? His book was likely written by Bill Ayers who he could claim got the facts wrong. His book states he found his BC in his dead father’s papers but doesn’t state whether it was a Kenyan or Hawaiin BC.
Without other records, the BC becomes the gateway for everything else until someone breaks into Coie’s law firm. I believe no court will help until it is too late. How else can the truth be revealed?
Gibbs is wrong. The most important question is determining whether Obama is a foreign agent put in office to overthrow our capitalist system (he was a CIA agent and that is one of their skills), whether any of Obama’s actions are legal, and how to get him out of office before the nation dissolves into bankruptcy or civil war when whites and blacks realize he lied to them.
You may become a U.S. citizen either at birth or after birth. Individuals who are born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and individuals born in certain territories or outlying possessions of the United States are citizens at birth. Also, individuals born outside the United States may be citizens at birth if their parent or parents were citizens at the time of birth and other requirements are met.
So, this paragraph says that there are two categories of citizen, citizen at birth or after birth. Not three as you contend.
The first category is further defined in the remainder of the paragraph with language similar to that found in the 14th amendment (Individuals who are born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States)and adding that persons born abroad may be citizens at birth if their parent or parents were citizens and certain other requirements were met.
So, the paragraph that you cite does not support your assertion, in fact it contradicts it. Do you have any other source that supports your claim? This one certainly does not.
You forgot naturalized citizenship. Read the whole page if you like — it never mentions Natural Born Citizen.
naturalized citizen, that would be someone who gains their citizenship after birth. Trying reading it again, very slowly.
I don’t know what you are trying to say here.
Are you arguing that naturalized citizens are not citizens? We’ve had plenty serve in Congress as Representatives and Senators.
If I didn’t cite enough paragraphs to satisfy you then by all means read the whole section.
Right now you sound thoroughly confused.
bttt
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