State lawmakers want Obama’s birth records (Arizona's HB2544 & Burges takes 2nd try at birther bill)

SV Herald ^ | 1/29/11 | Howard Fischer

[Libloather]

State lawmakers want Obama’s birth records
By Howard Fischer
Capitol Media Services
Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:34

PHOENIX — More than three dozen Republican legislators want a plan to require Barack Obama to produce an original birth certificate for Arizona officials if he intends to seek re-election.

HB 2544 would forbid the secretary of state from putting a presidential candidate’s name on the ballot unless certain documents are first provided. These include a sworn statements outlining where the candidate has lived for the last 14 years, that the candidate does not hold dual citizenship and that the person’s allegiance “is solely to the United States of America.”

But what worries Ken Bennett, the current secretary of state, is that he also would have to be furnished “an original long form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance.” Without that, he said, the measure would bar him from including the candidate’s name on the ballot.

“I don’t know that’s on MY birth certificate, for goodness sakes” said Bennett, who was born in Tucson.

Potentially more problematic, he said, is that each state has its own system of recording births. And Bennett, who is a Republican like all of the measure’s 41 sponsors, is not sure that its even possible to get an “original” birth certificate.

For example, he said, people seeking birth certificates from many states, often for passports or other documentation, are instead furnished with a “certificate of live birth.” That usually takes the form of a state official certifying, under oath, that there are documents on file proving a specific person was born on a specified date.

That’s not all, Bennett said, pointing to the requirement for the birth certificate to have the names of the attending physician and the signatures of witnesses.

“If you were delivered at home with a midwife, does that mean you are no longer qualified to be the president of the United States?” he asked. “If there aren’t any signatures of witnesses in attendance, you’re no longer qualified?”

And what, exactly, is a “long form birth certificate,” he asked.

“Is that a standard term of art that means the same thing in all 50 states?” Bennett continued. “And is it even available in all 50 states?”

Officially speaking, the legislation crafted by Rep. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, does not mention Obama. And Burges, who first sponsored a slightly different version of the measure last year, said it’s not necessarily about Obama, though she admitted she doubts he was born in Hawaii as he claims, or that he can show he is a U.S. citizen.

“With what’s happening throughout the world, we need to make sure that our candidates are certifiable,” she told Capitol Media Services when she introduced the first measure.

Burges managed to get the measure through the House last year. The bill died in the Senate. That requirement for the “long form original,” appears designed with Obama in mind.

Officials in Hawaii released a short-form version of the birth certificate when the issue first arose before the 2008 election. When that failed to satisfy critics, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the state’s health director, issued a statement saying he has “seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.”

Bennett seems satisfied. “I think he was born in Hawaii,” he said. “I personally believe he is a U.S. citizen.”

Others sponsors of the legislation, though, apparently have their doubts.

Rep. Carl Seel, R-Phoenix, told KPNX this week he believes Obama — and all presidential candidates — should provide proof of their citizenship. Asked specifically if he believes Obama is a citizen, Seel responded, “I have questions about that.”

Bennett, acknowledging all the controversy, said he is sympathetic to the goal. “I think we need a legitimate and verifiable process for candidates to demonstrate that they meet the qualifications,” he said.

“In the case of the president’s office … the best place is at the federal level so that each state is not doing its own, different thing,” Bennett continued. “But it seems unfortunately obvious that they’ve not sufficiently implemented such a process at the federal level or we wouldn’t be having these questions.”

He added, though, that no process might be enough “in the minds of some people.”

[Tunehead54]

Reference bump! ;-)

[little jeremiah]

What year?

(That’s how I’d like to go to HI, too! I hate flying...)

[Red Steel]

No Supreme Court decision, no law ever passed by Congress and no clause of the Constitution state there is no doubt that having two citizen parents and born in country is a natural born citizen.

So future zot, you admit the obvious that the 1898 Wong Kim Ark v. United States opinion did not make or create Ark into a natural born citizen.

And you obfuscate future Zot.

We do know that the SCOTUS opinion 1875, Minor v. Happersett stated with no doubt that having two parents and being born in country is a natural born citizen. We also do know in 1830 Hanks v. DuPont cited the same definition.

And in 1890, United States v. Ward cited de Vattel by name and having two citizen parents and born in country as being a natural born citizen.

Tsk tsk Obot.

[jamese777]

So future zot, you admit the obvious that the 1898 Wong Kim Ark v. United States opinion did not make or create Ark into a natural born citizen.

And you obfuscate future Zot.

We do know that the SCOTUS opinion 1875, Minor v. Happersett stated with no doubt that having two parents and being born in country is a natural born citizen. We also do know in 1830 Hanks v. DuPont cited the same definition.

And in 1890, United States v. Ward cited de Vattel by name and having two citizen parents and born in country as being a natural born citizen.

Tsk tsk Obot.

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Gee, isn’t it interesting then that with FIVE, count ‘em FIVE conservatives on the current US Supreme Court that they aren’t even interested in hearing oral arguments in ANY Obama eligibility appeal?
Not ONE single US Supreme Court Justice has asked Obama to submit a brief defending his eligibility to be President of the United States.
Whenever the Supreme Court is seriously considering granting a hearing to an appeal, they order the respondant (defendant) to submit a brief stating why the plaintiff’s case should not be heard. With Obama eligibility appeals, not one single brief has been ordered and Obama has submitted NO briefs on his own initiative.

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“If Tea Party groups are to maximize their influence on policy, they must now begin the difficult task of disassociating themselves from cranks and conspiracy nuts. This includes 9/11 deniers, “birthers” who who insist Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and militia supporters espousing something vaguely close to armed rebellion.”—Karl Rove, The Wall Street Journal, February 17, 2010.

So which are you Red Steal, a “crank” or a “conspiracy nut?”

[charlie72]

Ask too many questions you end up dead. Obama was in the CIA. Isn’t overthrowing governments their specialty?

[jamese777]

Not true. Hawaii didn’t release squat. They never said what Obama put on the Internet was issued by them.

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But they did say that the hard copy of a Hawaii COLB released to the St. Petersburg Times newspaper from Obama’s Chicago office was “a valid Hawaii State Birth Certificate.”—Janice Okubo, Director of Communications, Hawaii Department of Health
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

[danamco]

Naturally, he has to “CYA”!!!

[bushpilot1]

[jamese777]

Dr. Chiyome Fukino

-Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

It did not say that there was a birth certificate, it said that there was a “record” of a birth certificate....

That record was most likely a result of a “late filing” by Obozo’s grandmother, without presenting a birth certificate. There is no hospital record of his birth in HI (it is very unlikely he was born in HI). There is no record of Barrack H. Obama, Sr. ever living with Stanley Ann Dunham in HI. The only way that Obama could be a Natural Born U.S. Citizen is if Barrack H. Obama, Sr is not his father.

Many have suggested that family friend Frank Marshall Davis was the father and that Barrack H. Obama only gave legitimacy to the birth. I am not convinced that Davis is his father, but it is possible. If Frank Marshall Davis is Obozo’s father, he is a Natural Born U.S. Citizen and he is also a Commie B__tard! (just like “Commie” Frank Marshall Davis the admitted pedofile.)

Let’s hope it is time for Exposure!
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There is NO long form Birth Certificate for BHO in HI. None... Look at the dance the authorities have been doing to avoid admitting it.
Here is the statement by Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Health Department of the State of Hawaii:

“I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen,” Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. “I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

(note- she said a “natural-born American citizen, NOT natural born United States Citizen.)

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Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Hawaii State Health Director, has issued a second statement Monday, July 27th confirming President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, HI.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.

(Note- she said American citizen, not a United States Citizen)

I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago,” Fukino said, in hopes of ending the controversy surrounding Obama’s citizenship.

Nowhere did she say that she had seen the original “birth certificate”

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You can try to parse Dr. Fukino’s words till the cows come home but judges and justices all across America, and at the Supreme Court of the United States have understood Dr. Fukino’s words much better than you.

That’s why the scorecard in Obama eligibility lawsuits is Obama: 89/Birthers: 0.

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“The President was, in fact born at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii, and that’s just a fact.”
“It’s been established. He was born here.” [Former]Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI)

[danamco]

Eventually, Obama naturalized as a US citizen.

I agree with everything in your post, except for this last paragraph. He has NO form N550!!!

That's why he had to steal and use false SSN+???

[danamco]

Your link is total irrelevant and regardless, he BECAME an Indonesian citizen!!!

[bushpilot1]

[danamco]

YES YOU CAN BE PRESIDENT

NO YOU CAN'T. PERIOD!!!

[danamco]

Nowhere did she say that she had seen the original "birth certificate"

And that's what hippie Abercommie with his big hippo mouth found out the hard way. He should just have listened to Tim Adams would have save him eggs on his face!!!

[Red Steel]

But they did say that the hard copy of a Hawaii COLB released to the St. Petersburg Times newspaper from Obama’s Chicago office was “a valid Hawaii State Birth Certificate.”—Janice Okubo, Director of Communications, Hawaii Department of Health

This is another reason why you have no credibility Obot.

Title: "As Obama stonewalls on uncertified birth certificate, official doubts mount Israel Insider ^ | June 28, 2008 | June 28, 2008

Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:19:52 PM by Red Steel"

"A senior official in the State of Hawaii's Department of Health, Director of Communications Janice Okubo, confirms that the image published and circulated by the Obama campaign as his "birth certificate" lacks the necessary embossed seal and signature. Backing away from a quote attributed to her that the image on the campaign site was "valid," she told the St. Petersburg (Florida) Times in an article published yesterday: "I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents." "

You future Zot, mislead, quibble, BS, and flat out lie. Tsk tsk again OBot.

You should know by now not to mess with me as I know just everything on this subject.

[danamco]

We see that miss jamese in addition to be a Holder paid enabler brigade, he’s found new sponsor!!!

[bushpilot1]

Muslims sometimes claim that the root word of Islam is “al-Salaam,” which is “peace” in Arabic. The Truth: An Arabic word only has one root. The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.”

[Red Steel]

We see that miss jamese in addition to be a Holder paid enabler brigade, he’s found new sponsor!!!

The twit is so easy to discredit that Holder should get Soros to ask for a refund.

[bushpilot1]

Obama practicing to the questions: Are you a Muslim, a natural born citizen, were you born in Hawaii.

[noinfringers2]

There are people who would deconstruct the issues discussed in the debates before the adoption of the Constitution, particularly the words ‘natural born citizen’. Their sense of a living document is one subject to change instead of historical understanding.