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State lawmakers want Obama’s birth records (Arizona's HB2544 & Burges takes 2nd try at birther bill)
SV Herald ^ | 1/29/11 | Howard Fischer

Posted on 01/30/2011 4:01:07 PM PST by Libloather

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To: Red Steel

38 U.S. 265 (1978)
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA
v.
BAKKE.

No. 76-811.
Supreme Court of United States.

Argued October 12, 1977.
Decided June 28, 1978.

Harvard College Admissions Program

The belief that diversity adds an essential ingredient to the educational process has long been a tenet of Harvard College admissions. In recent years Harvard College has expanded the concept of diversity to include students from disadvantaged economic, racial and ethnic groups.

Harvard College now recruits not only Californians or Louisianans but also blacks and Chicanos and other minority students.

In practice, this new definition of diversity has meant that race has been a factor in some admission decisions.

When the Committee on Admissions reviews the large middle group of applicants who are “admissible” and deemed capable of doing good work in their courses, the race of an applicant may tip the balance in his favor.

The belief has been that if scholarly excellence were the sole or even predominant criterion, Harvard College would lose a great deal of its vitality.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=4987623155291151023&hl=en&as_sdt=2,5&kqfp=4156471326979603553&kql=180&kqpfp=133130


81 posted on 01/31/2011 3:41:28 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: LucyT; Spunky; Fantasywriter; warsaw44; ColdOne; Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!; GQuagmire; ...

This needs a fresh FReeper poll. Scroll all the way down past Rush Limbaugh and cast your vote. ONLY 11 votes has been cast!!!

http://einhornpress.com/GovernorNeilAbercrombieontheObamaBirth.aspx


82 posted on 01/31/2011 5:19:18 AM PST by danamco (-)
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To: Red Steel; Munz; Texas Fossil; bushpilot1; LucyT

The very feminine miss jamese is only using her FReeper privileged (still allowed by the grace of the Big Kahuna) to stir and muddying the NBC issue and reporting back to Holder for cash!

She copy & past from other sites where she also is posting and sounds here like broken records, posting the exact same garbage and lies over,...click, over,...click, over,...click again and gets paid for every answers you give her. It’s time for every Constitutionalists FRiends to total ignore her games. She’s a true long time “PLANT”!!

Also pay attention too Post 82!!!


83 posted on 01/31/2011 5:45:55 AM PST by danamco (-)
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To: SvenMagnussen
McCain doesn’t have a US based BC because he was born in a foreign country with two US citizen parents. He’s a statutory citizen with a Certificate of Citizenship to prove his US citizenship.

I understood that he was born in the U.S. Canal Zone, which, at the time, was understood to be sovereign US territory, before Jimmah and the internationalist elite gave it away.

84 posted on 01/31/2011 8:35:03 AM PST by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: jamese777

If a man walks into a bank ,robs it and walks out and is never arrested , if he a bank robber? What if a number of bank customers recognizance him, but don’t say anything ?is he a bank robber. The answer is yes, it does not matter that our courts and politicians refuse to support the constitution, it still does not make obama the President. The accepted meaning of Natural born citizen has remained the same for over 200 years,CHILDREN OF CITIZENS SHALL BE CONSIDERED NATURAL BORN. Do you know of any congressional bill passed or Constitutional amendment that passed that changes the original intent? The Constitution is around 16 pages long and is considered a “common sense “ document. Any reasonable person at that time would have understood what “natural born “ meant, no different from what a stop sign means now. If you ever get stopped for running a stop sign, just tell the judge that the sign is not clear to it’s meaning. It does not say who has to stop,or when,or how often ,or what vehicles it applies to. The judge will think you are a nut, just as the founding fathers would have thought if you questioned the meaning of Natural Born.


85 posted on 01/31/2011 8:36:40 AM PST by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: jamese777

If a man walks into a bank ,robs it and walks out and is never arrested , if he a bank robber? What if a number of bank customers recognizance him, but don’t say anything ?is he a bank robber. The answer is yes, it does not matter that our courts and politicians refuse to support the constitution, it still does not make obama the President. The accepted meaning of Natural born citizen has remained the same for over 200 years,CHILDREN OF CITIZENS SHALL BE CONSIDERED NATURAL BORN. Do you know of any congressional bill passed or Constitutional amendment that passed that changes the original intent? The Constitution is around 16 pages long and is considered a “common sense “ document. Any reasonable person at that time would have understood what “natural born “ meant, no different from what a stop sign means now. If you ever get stopped for running a stop sign, just tell the judge that the sign is not clear to it’s meaning. It does not say who has to stop,or when,or how often ,or what vehicles it applies to. The judge will think you are a nut, just as the founding fathers would have thought if you questioned the meaning of Natural Born.


86 posted on 01/31/2011 8:36:53 AM PST by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: Munz

true , obama “ claims” to be born in a Hawaiian hospital.
He probably was born in a hospital in Mombasa Kenya


87 posted on 01/31/2011 8:40:07 AM PST by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: danamco

“I agree with everything in your post, except for this last paragraph. He has NO form N550!!!”

Obama left Indonesia as an Indonesian National and came to America as a refugee. An American Refugee Assistance Organization located in Connecticut helped Obama clear customs and transition back to America.

Remember, Obama came back to America alone and his grandmother was named as his legal guardian. In the mid-70’s, the Federal Government passed a law requiring AFDC recipients to have an SSN to continue receiving benefits.

The Connecticut Refugee Assistance Organization applied for Obama’s SSN on his behalf so his grandmother could continue to receive AFDC benefits for him; thus, the Connecticut SSN.

In the early 80’s, Obama transitioned from a Greencard holding legal immigrant to become a Naturalized American citizen.


88 posted on 01/31/2011 8:46:25 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (Everything you need to know is known unknowns)
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To: SvenMagnussen
The Connecticut Refugee Assistance Organization applied for Obama’s SSN on his behalf so his grandmother could continue to receive AFDC benefits for him; thus, the Connecticut SSN.

That's a documented fact or a speculation based on similar cases?

89 posted on 01/31/2011 8:51:47 AM PST by bvw
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To: jamese777
RedSteel conveniently omits Janice Okubo’s response to the emailed COLB: “It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate.” Anybody wanting to check the facts can click on this link and read the entire article for themself: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/ One more time: Janice Okubo, Director of Communications for the Hawaii state Department of Health: “It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate.” And then of course there is this! http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105817 Hawaii refuses to verify president's online COLBs
90 posted on 01/31/2011 8:55:36 AM PST by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: omegadawn

If a man walks into a bank ,robs it and walks out and is never arrested , if he a bank robber? What if a number of bank customers recognizance him, but don’t say anything ?is he a bank robber. The answer is yes, it does not matter that our courts and politicians refuse to support the constitution, it still does not make obama the President. The accepted meaning of Natural born citizen has remained the same for over 200 years,CHILDREN OF CITIZENS SHALL BE CONSIDERED NATURAL BORN. Do you know of any congressional bill passed or Constitutional amendment that passed that changes the original intent? The Constitution is around 16 pages long and is considered a “common sense “ document. Any reasonable person at that time would have understood what “natural born “ meant, no different from what a stop sign means now. If you ever get stopped for running a stop sign, just tell the judge that the sign is not clear to it’s meaning. It does not say who has to stop,or when,or how often ,or what vehicles it applies to. The judge will think you are a nut, just as the founding fathers would have thought if you questioned the meaning of Natural Born.


There are codified laws against robbing banks. There is no codified law requiring two citizen parents in order to be President. No such statement is in the Constitution.

If there was such a law or if the Supreme Court had rendered decisions on original intent stating that, or even if it was generally accepted common law policy, Barack Hussein Obama II would never have been allowed to be on the ballot in 50 states plus the District of Columbia and campaign for the presidency for a year and a half through the primaries and general election. Obama’s electoral college votes would not have been counted and certified by Vice President Cheney. At least two members of Congress out of 535 Representatives and Senators would have submitted written objections and by doing so forced both Houses of Congress to investigate the issue. Chief Justice Roberts would never have agreed to administer the oath of office. At least one local, county, state, or federal court would have ruled that Obama is ineligible for the presidency. The Supreme Court of the United States would have granted a Petition for a Writ of Certiorari to one of the Obama eligibility appeals to reach the High Court for Certiorari conferences.

The fact is that there is no such requirement and there never has been. What there is, is an opinion on international law of a 19th Century Swiss professor who was never an American citizen.


91 posted on 01/31/2011 9:11:10 AM PST by jamese777
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To: GregNH

And then of course there is this! http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105817 Hawaii refuses to verify president’s online COLBs


Hawaii can’t verify the scanned image of a document posted on a website. Anyone would need an actual hard copy of the document in order to perform a verification.

What Hawaii verified was a copy of a 2007 COLB that the St. Petersburg Times newspaper received from Obama’s Chicago offices.

The Director of Communications for the Department of Health said of that document: “It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate.”

The former Republican Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle even went as far as to name Obama’s birth hospital. She said: “The President was, in fact, born at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact.”
She went on to say: “It’s been established. He was born here.”
Her comments and the Director of Health’s media releases have prompted the new Speaker of the House, John Boehner to state: “The state of Hawaii has said that the president was born there. That’s good enough for me.”

Dr. Fukino’s statement: “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health VERIFYING Barack Hussein Obama
was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf


92 posted on 01/31/2011 9:28:35 AM PST by jamese777
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To: SvenMagnussen
Obama left Indonesia as an Indonesian National and came to America as a refugee. An American Refugee Assistance Organization located in Connecticut helped Obama clear customs and transition back to America. Remember, Obama came back to America alone and his grandmother was named as his legal guardian. In the mid-70’s, the Federal Government passed a law requiring AFDC recipients to have an SSN to continue receiving benefits.

The Connecticut Refugee Assistance Organization applied for Obama’s SSN on his behalf so his grandmother could continue to receive AFDC benefits for him; thus, the Connecticut SSN.

In the early 80’s, Obama transitioned from a Greencard holding legal immigrant to become a Naturalized American citizen.

Your "theory" does NOT match SS's procedures of issuing valid SS#!

The SSA is adamant that numbers are never recycled and likely won't be for the foreseeable future. Given the nine-digit format, there are a hair under 1 billion possible permutations, taking into account that numbers like 000-00-0000 and other oddities aren't distributed. (An elaborate mathematical guesstimate here quotes the precise figure as 988,911,099.) So far, the SSA has doled out roughly 400 million numbers. Population researchers calculate that roughly 300 million people will require new Social Security numbers by the year 2050—about 230 million native births plus 68 million immigrants, give or take 50 million all told. Barring unforeseen circumstances, such as a meteor strike or cloning boom, the current enumeration system should last nearly another century.

We know he has a SS# belonged to a citizen of CT, but NOT to Barry Soetoro!!

What are your sources for the naturalization and the other stuff about Toot Dunham's guardianship, etc.!!!

93 posted on 01/31/2011 9:28:49 AM PST by danamco (-)
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To: Texas Fossil

Nope. You are wrong. That is not why the courts have done what they have. Troll.


Pray, tell us, what is the reason then? GNOME.

And while you’re telling us, here’s what one federal judge had to say. A judge who was a former Republican state Senator from Georgia and who was appointed to the federal bench by President George W. Bush: “A spurious claim questioning the president’s constitutional legitimacy may be protected by the First Amendment, but a Court’s placement of its imprimatur upon a claim that is so lacking in factual support that it is frivolous would undoubtedly disserve the public interest.”—US. District Court Judge Clay R. Land, Rhodes v MacDonald, September 16, 2009.


94 posted on 01/31/2011 9:38:22 AM PST by jamese777
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To: SvenMagnussen

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2527092/posts

Still seeking an explanation for Obama’s SSN 042-68-4425


95 posted on 01/31/2011 9:40:34 AM PST by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: danamco

The database your relying on for SSN “facts” is full of errors.

It is a fact Obama is US native-born, emigrated to Indonesia and became an Indonesian National after the Soetoro adoption was finalized.

It is a fact Obama returned to the US as an Indonesian National when Obama Sr returned to complain in Court he was not properly notified and did not agree to the loss of his parental rights. The Soetoro adoption was annulled and Obama Sr. was identified as BHO’s II father on a new COLB after all previous BC’s and adoption records were sealed by Court Order.

The adoption annulment did not change BHO’s II school record, immunization record or his citizenship. BHO was a greencard holding immigrant until the early 80’s when he became a Naturalized US Citizen !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


96 posted on 01/31/2011 9:45:44 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (Everything you need to know is known unknowns)
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To: freedumb2003

You’re correct! A lot of us have two birth certificates, not just one. We got one from the hospital, with parents’ thumbprints and baby’s footprint on it, doctor’s signature, hospital seal of approval. Then we got the government-issued version, too. No footprints, but a lot more information, such as parents’ names and places of birth (crucial to determining natural born citizenship status of child). TWO. Not just one.

I can produce either or both at a moment’s notice. In fact, the reason I can is that I have HAD to produce the government version many times: To apply for jobs at public entities, to get a driver’s license, to register to vote, to get a passport, etc.

It’s VERY unusual, actually unlikely, that a man like Obama does NOT have a birth certificate handy.

How’d he get admitted to the IL bar? Don’t state and federal senators have to pass background checks? How’d he get a passport to travel to Paaaaakeeeeestaaaaahn in 1981?

He has a birth certificate; he’s just not about to show it. WHY NOT? Common sense will provide the answer.


97 posted on 01/31/2011 9:47:20 AM PST by Greenperson
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To: faucetman

You cannot become a naturalized citizen and renounce your U.S. citizenship until after you reach the age of majority, and your parent or guardian cannot renounce your citizenship for you.
******

Nope, but you CAN renounce if for yourself, like gallavanting around the world on a foreign passport after the age of majority and/or registering at schools as a foreign student. This type of thing just might qualify, at least in the minds of the electorate, as an example of someone who, if he ever had citizenship in the first place, certainly renounced it. Whatever. If his parents are those he claims, then he’s not eligible in any case, because he is not a “natural born” US citizen. Possibly a “born” US citizen, but NOT a “natural born” US citizen. The only way for anyone to know is to KNOW the exact facts concerning his birth. He HIDES them. Why? Perhaps because instead of proving eligibility they will disprove it.


98 posted on 01/31/2011 10:07:27 AM PST by Greenperson
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To: Eagle Forgotten

Eagle Forgotten: You could easily find out who delivered you by asking the city clerk’s office for a copy of your original birth certificate. You CAN get it, if you ask. The certified copies serve for some purposes, but if you need to see a copy of the original, they will dig it out of the archives and make a copy for you. A copy of the original item. It’s there. It’s history. NO vital records office destroys birth certificates.

IF Obama wanted a copy of his original birth certificate released (that one that Fukino and others claim they SAW), along with all the rest of whatever documents are on file in Hawaii, all he has to do is to AUTHORIZE them to release the documents.

Did you notice that the initial news story did state that Hawaii can’t release them WITHOUT THE PERSON’S CONSENT?

Easy to miss that point, because most news stories omitted that phrase (without the person’s consent) from the “news”. I wonder why!

Simple solution, which will cost the legislature nothing (in time or money): ASK Obama to give his consent. Release the documents. End of story.

It WILL be the end of the story. Right?


99 posted on 01/31/2011 10:34:30 AM PST by Greenperson
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To: Texas Fossil

Correct. He needs to be a natural US citizen as well as a born US citizen. Natural. That’s the key word.


100 posted on 01/31/2011 10:56:43 AM PST by Greenperson
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