 That would be true. |
Posted on 02/04/2011 12:22:09 PM PST by RobinMasters
We were told they will turn out all right if they are given a chance..after trillions and trillions of dollars spent..the result is in the White House.
We are now facing a problem that will probably never end until there are many sorrows.
Well put.
You are getting two things mixed up. What you are talking about above is what it takes to be ANY citizen of the United States. For Barack Obama to have been born a citizen at all, he would need one parent to be a citizen and a resident of the USA for 5 years after the age of 16.
If those were not met and he were not born in the USA, he would not even be a citizen at birth. He would have had to naturalize at some point.
But the previous poster was trying to say that the definition of Natural Born Citizen is even trickier. We don't know if perhaps BOTH his parents needed to be citizens at his birth, or if he had to have been born with no allegiance to another land. The Constitution is not completely clear on what defines a Natural Born Citizen.
That would be true. |
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The Constitution is not completely clear on what defines a Natural Born Citizen.
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Mis-defining does not help. It is not “Natural Born Citizen”. It is “natural born Citizen”.
Only Citizen is capitalized because it was formal, specific, defined term in the Constitution. This was Citizen of the [one of] the United States. The adjectives of ‘natural’ and ‘born’ added normal refinement to the type of actual Citizen that qualified to be President.
Capitalization matters and it especially matters here. People keep looking for the magical definition of “natural born Citizen” and is common mis-represented derivatives of Natural Born Citizen, Natural-born Citizen, natural-born Citizen. But when you look that actual words and do not mis-represent them the definitions are simple to find. Go look up “natural” and “born” in the dictionary. That is apparently what the founders did.
Sorry for the capitalization. We still need a definition that fits life in the 21st century and beyond. Very few Americans believe that children born to criminal trespassers should be eligible to be our President, so we do need a hard definition of “natural born Citizen” that encompasses the facts of our world.
What’s keeps the birthers going is obama’s constant stonewalling on all his life documents where we as average citizens aren’t allowed to go through our life like that. And he is sitting in the oval office. No man is supposed to be above the law and there he is living above the law.
This imposter should have never been sworn in with all these unresolved questions, but he was anyway. What needs to happen is the eligibility rules need to be enforced from here on out. Obama will probably finish out this term since no one wants to take him on with this issue and no judge will touch this. But for the future, this kind of nonsense needs to be stopped. Otherwise the dimrats will keep putting up ineligible candidates because they got away with it with obama. This guy is a cancer on our country, but can you imagine who the next guy from the marxist party would be?
The Pro-life folks should steal this term and apply it to themselves as a direct contrast to their opponents....the "Baby Killers".
Thank God my mother was a "birther".
Obama is obviously hiding something. There is no other reasonable explanation for his behavior. If you believe that was born on U.S. soil, what do you suppose he is hiding?
I agree with everything you said.
I would just add that I believe Obama is enjoying all the hoopla. He has a certificate ready to go should he need it, and has bet a close friend or two that he can make it all the way through 8 years without ever having to show it.
I believe that your definition of a “natural born citizen” is incorrect. Oh, those that are included in your definition are, indeed, natural born citizens, but that definition is not inclusive enough. Here’s a better read on the issue:
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
“If you’re going to be involved in government in the United States, citizenship is a must. To be a Senator or Representative, you must be a citizen of the United States. To be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born. Aside from participation in government, citizenship is an honor bestowed upon people by the citizenry of the United States when a non-citizen passes the required tests and submits to an oath.
Natural-born citizen
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
Separate sections handle territories that the United States has acquired over time, such as Puerto Rico (8 USC 1402), Alaska (8 USC 1404), Hawaii (8 USC 1405), the U.S. Virgin Islands (8 USC 1406), and Guam (8 USC 1407). Each of these sections confer citizenship on persons living in these territories as of a certain date, and usually confer natural-born status on persons born in those territories after that date. For example, for Puerto Rico, all persons born in Puerto Rico between April 11, 1899, and January 12, 1941, are automatically conferred citizenship as of the date the law was signed by the President (June 27, 1952). Additionally, all persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, are natural-born citizens of the United States. Note that because of when the law was passed, for some, the natural-born status was retroactive.
The law contains one other section of historical note, concerning the Panama Canal Zone and the nation of Panama. In 8 USC 1403, the law states that anyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who is a United States citizen, was “declared” to be a United States citizen. Note that the terms “natural-born” or “citizen at birth” are missing from this section.
In 2008, when Arizona Senator John McCain ran for president on the Republican ticket, some theorized that because McCain was born in the Canal Zone, he was not actually qualified to be president. However, it should be noted that section 1403 was written to apply to a small group of people to whom section 1401 did not apply. McCain is a natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c): “a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person.” Not everyone agrees that this section includes McCain — but absent a court ruling either way, we must presume citizenship.”
See post # 74.
Mark Levin was talking about possible candidates to beat Obama in 2012.
He said he wished Rubio and Jindal would reconsider.
I thought it was settled that Jindal is not a NBC?
Maybe that’s one reason Levin refuses to talk about it?
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