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Social Scientist Sees {Liberal} Bias Within
The New York Times ^ | 7-Feb-2011 | John Tiernay

Posted on 02/08/2011 3:48:38 AM PST by Cronos

....But the most talked-about speech at this year’s meeting, which ended Jan. 30, involved a new “outgroup.”...

It was identified by Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist at the University of Virginia who studies the intuitive foundations of morality and ideology. He polled his audience at the San Antonio Convention Center, starting by asking how many considered themselves politically liberal. A sea of hands appeared, and Dr. Haidt estimated that liberals made up 80 percent of the 1,000 psychologists in the ballroom. When he asked for centrists and libertarians, he spotted fewer than three dozen hands. And then, when he asked for conservatives, he counted a grand total of three.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: gagdadbob; liberals; mentalhealth; onecosmoa; onecosmos; psychologists; psychology; schizophrenia
Not really news, but at least the pyschologists now see themselves in the mirror
1 posted on 02/08/2011 3:48:42 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

from the article “Dr. Haidt (pronounced height) told the audience that he had been corresponding with a couple of non-liberal graduate students in social psychology whose experiences reminded him of closeted gay students in the 1980s.”


2 posted on 02/08/2011 3:52:12 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

I’m sure the OEO is going to jump right on the problem of blatant discrimination against conservatives in academia...


3 posted on 02/08/2011 3:55:38 AM PST by DrC
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To: Cronos

Not really news, but at least the pyschologists now see themselves in the mirror


True, but for for what good? Psychologists are the high priests of liberal lunacy. They tend to legitimize just about any type of deviant behavior while dismissing what we consider to be normal. Leftist depend on psychology to justify their own beliefs.

They are modern day phrenologists.

Oh, and they have a major influence on our educational system.


4 posted on 02/08/2011 4:16:13 AM PST by paint_your_wagon
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To: Cronos

After laughing, I figured out that even if this guy has tenure he’s either one of those extremely rare folks truth as his goal or he’s terminally ill. Either way, it would be interesting to track his career before and after this paper.


5 posted on 02/08/2011 4:20:48 AM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: Cronos
“Anywhere in the world that social psychologists see women or minorities underrepresented by a factor of two or three, our minds jump to discrimination as the explanation,” said Dr. Haidt, who called himself a longtime liberal turned centrist. “But when we find out that conservatives are underrepresented among us by a factor of more than 100, suddenly everyone finds it quite easy to generate alternate explanations.”

Money quote.

6 posted on 02/08/2011 4:28:29 AM PST by sphinx
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To: Cronos

Psychologists/psychiatrists lost all credibility in the 70’s when they redefined homosexuality as a ‘variation on normal’. PC waaaaaay back then and we have been under assault ever since.


7 posted on 02/08/2011 4:36:34 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Cronos
The fields of psychology, sociology and anthropology have long attracted liberals, but they became more exclusive after the 1960s, according to Dr. Haidt. “The fight for civil rights and against racism became the sacred cause unifying the left throughout American society, and within the academy,” he said, arguing that this shared morality both “binds and blinds.”

I have argued Nathan Bedford's first Maxim of American politics on these threads ad nauseam: all politics in America is not local but ultimately racial.

It was the civil rights acts as much as the court packing scheme which distorted the American Constitution out of all its power of elasticity-regardless of how noble or merited the cause of civil rights. What it told the American body politic was that the American Constitution was no longer the sacred compact between people and government but a mere obstacle to be evaded, avoided, or disparaged until it became appropriate to deride its reading in the United States Congress. If it is okay to evade the Constitution to achieve the noble goals of civil rights, it must be okay as well to evade the Constitution in the cause of gay rights, women's rights, immigrants rights, or to defend a black occupant of the Oval Office.

Indeed, the present occupant of the Oval Office would not be there except as a guest were it not for the color of his skin. We see in that election the power of race to "bind and blind" not only the academic community but the fourth estate and, through these keepers of the information gate, the electorate at large.

The word "bind" has at least two meanings, one meaning, to tie together and the other, to tie shut. The invocation of race in America shuts down the debate and shuts down inquiry into the eligibility of Barack Obama, both constitutionally and politically, to be President of the United States.


8 posted on 02/08/2011 4:52:00 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Cronos

From my experience, many psychologists choose the field because they have mental issues. Liberalism, by being rooted in emotion and the desire to eschew logic or rational thought, tends to appeal to the mentally imbalanced. So, is it any surprise that most psychologists are liberal?


9 posted on 02/08/2011 4:53:20 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: sphinx

bttt


10 posted on 02/08/2011 4:56:38 AM PST by comps4spice
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To: Cronos

And yet we continue to send our children into the indoctrination centers.


11 posted on 02/08/2011 4:57:55 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: comps4spice
From my experience, many psychologists choose the field because they have mental issues.


I believe that is true as well. In fact, I had a psychiatrist professor tell me the same thing year ago.
12 posted on 02/08/2011 4:59:32 AM PST by WaterBoard ("PBR Street Gang this is Almighty, over..")
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To: Cronos

“Not really news, but at least the pyschologists now see themselves in the mirror”

This guy is trying to be honest and introspective, but he can’t go the rest of the way.....Conservatives tend to be a bit brighter, harder working, and accomplished, hence their under-representation in the field of psychology.

That’s the real story, and the real reason why they are uncomfortable about it.

Psychology is for the lazy, and for those with no other option.


13 posted on 02/08/2011 5:02:31 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Rashputin

Did you read the comments after the article? Some scary thinking from the folks that read the Times.


14 posted on 02/08/2011 5:07:14 AM PST by rocketmag
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To: exDemMom

Everybody has “mental issues” as you put it. Some deal with them better than others. A good psychologist can help, regardless of political persuasion. A bad psychologist is like a bad plumber - get ‘em out of there before they cause too much damage.

Most psychologists are liberal because of academic orthodoxy,and its rigorous requirements. Psychologists in the public sector (VAs, academia) are far more liberal than private sector psychologists who deal with reality on a day-to-day basis.

-25 years a conservative libertarian psychologist who mostly keeps his mouth shut in professional circles.


15 posted on 02/08/2011 5:09:48 AM PST by neocon1984
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To: Cronos

So once again everyone is divided by Haidt speech. When will it end?


16 posted on 02/08/2011 5:12:18 AM PST by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: rocketmag
Oh, I know! They are frightening and they're exactly like the mob of elitist idiots that run the entire education system in this country as well as the entire pseudoscience extensions to everything else.

We need to destroy the democrat fascist party and the education system they've turned into an indoctrination and rewards system for the faithful. Now it's a system to provide good paying jobs and titles of nobility for the faithful with brainwashing and systematic restraint for the unfaithful. The democrat party needs to be destroyed so thoroughly that, to paraphrase Halsey, " ... democrat is only spoken in Hell".

Rid this country of the democrat party fascist eugenics driven infrastructure and oddly enough, everything else would fall into place in short order.

17 posted on 02/08/2011 5:30:00 AM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: paint_your_wagon
"True, but for for what good? Psychologists are the high priests of liberal lunacy. They tend to legitimize just about any type of deviant behavior while dismissing what we consider to be normal. Leftist depend on psychology to justify their own beliefs.

Not all Psychologists. Click my screen name and click on the link at the top of the page for one Ph.D Clinical Psychologist who has the leftist mind nailed to a "T". bttt

18 posted on 02/08/2011 5:30:33 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Trent Lott on Tea Party candidates: "As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them" 7/19/10)
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To: paint_your_wagon

if you give it a name it’s not deviant


19 posted on 02/08/2011 5:35:41 AM PST by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: paint_your_wagon
Oh, and they have a major influence on our educational system.

Don't you dare criticize them! How else would millions of children be diagnosed with learning disabilities? These children suffer from a lack of coke and meth derivatives in their bloodstreams and need to be treated. /s

20 posted on 02/08/2011 5:54:34 AM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: Cronos

I once dated a girl who paid a psychologist $150/hour because she had “intimacy issues”.

He laid her at the last session.

Problem solved.

She is still a loon, just more confused than before..


21 posted on 02/08/2011 5:56:03 AM PST by mmercier
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To: Cronos

I once dated a girl who paid a psychologist $150/hour because she had “intimacy issues”.

He laid her at the last session.

Problem solved.

She is still a loon, just more confused than before..


22 posted on 02/08/2011 5:56:04 AM PST by mmercier
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To: Seruzawa

And how in the world will their “single mothers” get their “crazy checks” if those kids aren’t diagnosed with learning disabilities?


23 posted on 02/08/2011 5:57:56 AM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my about page. Click my handle.)
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To: neocon1984
Everybody has “mental issues” as you put it. Some deal with them better than others. A good psychologist can help, regardless of political persuasion. A bad psychologist is like a bad plumber - get ‘em out of there before they cause too much damage.

Most psychologists are liberal because of academic orthodoxy,and its rigorous requirements. Psychologists in the public sector (VAs, academia) are far more liberal than private sector psychologists who deal with reality on a day-to-day basis.

I'm sorry, I should have been more precise. By "mental issues," I did not mean the many quirks of human behavior which fall within the range of what I consider "normal." (Many of which are listed in the DSM-whatever they're up to these days.) I was, rather, thinking of bona fide mental disorders.

I'm curious as to why academic orthodoxy and its rigorous requirements should cause a preponderance of liberals in the profession. My experience with true academic pursuit is that the necessary foundation in logic and rational thought precludes those who are incapable of that level of thought from participating. But then, I'm a scientist--which, at its purest, is an extremely literal and rational profession.

24 posted on 02/08/2011 5:57:58 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
I agree..everyone has "mental issues" but not everyone has mental illness depending on the success of their coping levels.

As for the large portion of liberals found in this study I would say it is more attributed to the suspicion of Psychology in the conservative sector..meaning..fewer conservatives see it as an viable science to study.

The science itself does not have an ideology, it is just a compilation of theories and tools about the workings of the mind and more recently the physiological workings of the brain.

Conservatives still have a flesh and blood brain..they just use it differently after years of maturity and experience. Many of the foundational studies and theories fall short because they focus on the younger years of development..even though as time has passed, we live decades longer. The science is still very much incomplete..like all other science.

25 posted on 02/08/2011 6:21:01 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: Earthdweller

Psychological “science” (1 Tim 6:20), too often, is based on false [worldly] assumptions.
This is why many Americanists [conservatives] are suspicious of it.


26 posted on 02/08/2011 6:24:31 AM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my about page. Click my handle.)
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To: MrB; exDemMom
"Psychological “science” (1 Tim 6:20), too often, is based on false [worldly] assumptions."

See what I mean..LOL

Most all science(search for truth), not based on a self-fulfilling conclusion, ends up confirming Christians principles in the end, IMO. Think ultrasounds and abortion.

27 posted on 02/08/2011 6:33:44 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: exDemMom
"mental issues"

Not knowing any shrinks or psychologists, I can neither agree nor disagree with the mental issues argument. However, I think that particular field draws a lot of libs because it represents a study in which many of it's participants believe in the blank slate theory. The bs theory for short. They love the idea that humans are blank canvases unto which any idea can be flung rather that minds that are hardwired in many ways.

These are the people who told us that all behavior is learned and that there are no natural mental talents, just people who had better life situations. I remember reading a book about Hitler called "The Psychopathic God" wherein every evil thing Hitler did was attributed to him reacting to a scene from his early life. Total gibberish.

Libs love the bs theory, because it helps rationalize the fact that humans are not born equal and is unfair. Therefore, under liberalism, and with the help of liberal psychologists and their ilk, they can make the world fair and equal.

28 posted on 02/08/2011 7:11:11 AM PST by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Matchett-PI

Not all Psychologists...

I agree and understand. Just like teachers and school administrators.
Not all are bad, but the system they work in is defined and regulated by the left.


29 posted on 02/08/2011 7:22:50 AM PST by paint_your_wagon
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To: RFEngineer
Conservatives tend to be a bit brighter, harder working, and accomplished, hence their under-representation in the field of psychology

Yup.

While Liberals are sitting around navel-gazing and talking about doing things, Conservatives are out doing them.

When I was in college, the professorial mantra (particularly in my non-engineer "elective" courses) was "Publish or Perish".... lots of b*tching and complaining about it. At the time, I accepted it as a big deal.

Now that I'm working, I say "what's the big deal?". I "publish or perish" every day that I do my job correctly. And why is it so hard, exactly, to document what you're doing?

But then again, I'm an engineer who *does* things, instead of talking about doing them.

30 posted on 02/08/2011 7:49:08 AM PST by wbill
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To: driftless2
Not knowing any shrinks or psychologists, I can neither agree nor disagree with the mental issues argument

Reaching WAAAAAAY back to my Abnormal Psyche elective...

There are 25(-ish) major symptoms of schizophrenia. I exhibit most of them. I'd suspect that you do, too.

Most of them are utterly harmless, like "You walk into a room and can't remember why you're there." or "Talking to yourself." (Both of which happen to me all the time, BTW.)

No voices in my as of yet though. I'll keep an ear out.

Bottom Line? There surely is a need for psychologists, some people can cope with their issues better than others (for instance, if I can't remember why I got up and went into a room, if I go back to what I was doing.....it always comes back to me instantly), but other people need help.

As for psyche profs, remember that those who can't do, teach. And for those who write books on the subject.... those who can't teach, pontificate.

31 posted on 02/08/2011 7:59:23 AM PST by wbill
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To: exDemMom
My experience with true academic pursuit is that the necessary foundation in logic and rational thought precludes those who are incapable of that level of thought from participating. But then, I'm a scientist--which, at its purest, is an extremely literal and rational profession.

I guess you have not been in academia for a while or you would recognize that logic as Eurocentric colonialist epistemology that has oppressed women and people of color for centuries. -sarc off

32 posted on 02/08/2011 4:52:23 PM PST by neocon1984
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To: neocon1984

ouch — sounds like you have had to be “undercover” for a long time! Is the comparison that the guy wrote about (see my comment 1) true then?


33 posted on 02/09/2011 12:03:47 AM PST by Cronos
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To: wbill

those “proofs” of schizophrenia are terribly broad — as you say, nearly everyone could therefore be labelled schizo.


34 posted on 02/09/2011 12:23:21 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

In today’s academia, 99% of psychologists are publicly leftists or far leftists. Otherwise won’t get past the tenure committees. (I chose private practice 25 years ago, when it was terrible, but no where near as bad as today’s “mulitcultural” and “postmodernist” environment).

There may the eccentric libertarian or conservative out there, but they are treated like the schizophrenic homeless uncle at a family reunion.


35 posted on 02/09/2011 2:57:36 PM PST by neocon1984
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