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To: GenXteacher; Servant of the Cross; aimhigh
“Battles are not always chosen based on whether or not there is a prospect for victory. Opposing abortion and opposing gay marriage are both the same fight- good against evil, civilization against barbarism. Whether they are losing battles or not is an irrelevancy- they are battles that must be fought, because they involved very basic questions of right and wrong.”

Its everyone’s right to vote to make a personal or political statement.

IMO this sort of decision is easiest to make when it does not have practical political consequences, as for example when no better outcome is possible no matter how you vote.

In this case, it may amount to deciding that “I would prefer to achieve neither of two important political goals to achieving one of them, if doing so allows me to vote my convictions on both.”

“The youth of today who 'get' abortion also 'get' homosexual marriage.”

Likely, that statement is correct.

However, it’s also the case increasing majorities of younger people oppose easy access to abortion and that increasing majorities of young people support “gay marriage” or civil unions –in your terms above younger people increasingly don’t 'get' abortion but do “get” homosexual marriage – so the two beliefs don’t in fact march in lockstep.

A lot of people on both the left and right find these trends difficult to accept (for example, many liberals refuse to accept that the increasing opposition to abortion can be “real”), but it is in fact what's happening.

“Public votes AGAINST gay marriage are always in the majority”

And that majority has been steadily eroding, especially over the last decade.

For example in 1990 polling was showing approval for homosexual marriage in California at around 25%, in 2000 Proposition 22 passed with 61% support, in 2008 Proposition 8 passed with 52% support, and the demography suggests that a narrow majority will favor its repeal by 2014, or 2016 at the latest.

Such demographics tell the story, in fact political demographers have produced estimates as to when the tide of popular opinion will turn in each state, on this basis the last group of “reddest” states will repeal such prohibitions in the early 2030s.

In fact, it likely won’t take that long as it’s going to politically and economically inconvenient for the last holdouts to maintain such prohibitions once they are clearly in the minority.

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IMO, the practical political question that needs to bet answered is: “To what extent does opposition to “homosexual rights” reduce the attractiveness of “pro-life” candidates to younger “pro gay rights” voters?

This may be a significant effect, or it may not.

AFAIK, no one knows the answer.

51 posted on 02/10/2011 5:23:13 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
IMO, the practical political question that needs to bet answered is: “To what extent does opposition to “homosexual rights” reduce the attractiveness of “pro-life” candidates to younger “pro gay rights” voters?

I question the backbone of anyone who says we should surrender while winning the war. Votes against Gay marriage are in the majority in EVERY election. Anyone who trusts liberal media polls of youth will trust a CNN presidential poll showing Al Gore and John Kerry winning. Only a RINO gives up character to be popular.

52 posted on 02/10/2011 7:04:35 AM PST by aimhigh (True bitter clingers cling to their guns AND their bibles.)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
“Public votes AGAINST gay marriage are always in the majority”

And that majority has been steadily eroding, especially over the last decade.

Only because the sheeple live in a state of learned helplessness. The left has managed to make the homosexuals a protected class. Once inside a voting booth, things change. People are allowed to speak freely.
Put homosexual marriage up for a vote in every state and see what happens when the PC police aren't allowed to get involved. Even the most liberal state in the union - California - voted it down twice!

I'd like to see states actually be allowed to vote on abortion as well. Things change behind that curtain. Left wing propaganda loses it's power there (which is why they always use liberal judges instead).

54 posted on 02/10/2011 8:41:16 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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