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Make this call in the wild: Should Oregon shoot barred owls to save spotted owls?
The Oregonian ^ | February 05, 2011 | Eric Mortenson,

Posted on 02/09/2011 11:15:51 PM PST by george76

Nothing's worked. Not the clamp on federal timber sales that hammered Oregon's mill towns. Not the lawsuits or the listing as an endangered species. The belated work to retain and restore its favored old-growth habitat will take decades to unfold. Twenty plus years of trying to save the northern spotted owl and it's still slipping away.

Come summer, federal wildlife officials expect to finish a draft environmental impact statement that most likely recommends taking to the woods with shotguns. Over the next year, in three or more study areas from Washington to northern California, they might kill 1,200 to 1,500 barred owls -- the larger, more aggressive competitor that has routed spotted owls from much of their territory and become, along with habitat loss, the biggest threat to their survival.

It's a wrenching decision that splits wildlife biologists and environmentalists. Killing one native animal to benefit another -- especially a "big, beautiful raptor, a fantastic bird," as one biologist puts it -- is such a leap that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service hired an environmental ethicist to guide its discussions.

More barred owls, perhaps hundreds, would have to be killed every year to keep the study areas free of interlopers for three to 10 years. One biologist estimated the cost at up to $1 million annually.

(Excerpt) Read more at oregonlive.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Colorado; US: Idaho; US: Montana; US: Oregon; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: animalrights; ar; barredowls; esa; oregon; owls; spottedowl; spottedowls; wildlife

1 posted on 02/09/2011 11:15:53 PM PST by george76
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To: george76

Are barred owls tasty?


2 posted on 02/09/2011 11:17:58 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: jazusamo; Flycatcher; Carry_Okie; Salvation; tubebender; Seadog Bytes

The 2010 spotted owl recovery plan, to be released in mid-February, concludes “barred owl removal should be initiated as soon as possible.”


3 posted on 02/09/2011 11:18:38 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Help save a job before they go exstint, preserve our heritage.



SAVE JOBS !

HELP SAVE JOBS ! CUT TAXES !

HELP SAVE JOBS ! STOP THE UNIONS !

HELP SAVE JOBS ! PROVIDE RIGHT TO WORK STATES !

4 posted on 02/09/2011 11:19:18 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Uncle Miltie
I hear some Hooters are tasty when you add a large sausage.


5 posted on 02/09/2011 11:19:21 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Tastes like chicken ?


6 posted on 02/09/2011 11:20:42 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

No. I believe the owls should determine the outcome on their own. There is plenty of evidence that the two interbreed, so it isn’t like either will cease to exist geneticall but contribute dna to a yet to be determined new species of owl.

The fittest survive. I say let them be.


7 posted on 02/09/2011 11:21:15 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: forester; Grampa Dave

In 1988, Oregon loggers cut 4.9 billion board feet of timber on federal land. The 2009 federal harvest was 240 million board feet.

but the Spotted owl itself hasn’t shown signs of recovering.


8 posted on 02/09/2011 11:22:09 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Boy, doesn't Gov't burdensome regulations just always turn out swell. This is the stupidest idea I have ever heard. The only shining spot is that this decision will melt the minds of the Leftist Enviroweenies.

Barred Owl

9 posted on 02/09/2011 11:22:34 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: george76

Give em all guns and let em sort out their own problems.

America can’t be the world’s policeman. /s


10 posted on 02/09/2011 11:22:53 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
 

11 posted on 02/09/2011 11:23:58 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: george76

Put both kinds of owls in a huge cage and may the best owl win. Bring the hot sauce! CAGE MATCH!


12 posted on 02/09/2011 11:24:18 PM PST by toddausauras
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To: Vendome

One biologist estimated the cost at up to $1 million annually.

Jobs created


13 posted on 02/09/2011 11:25:05 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Are barred owls tasty?

As the old joke (here in spotted owl country) goes, "They taste a little like bald eagle, Mr. game warden. Why do you ask?"

14 posted on 02/09/2011 11:27:11 PM PST by llevrok (So drink up, be crude, sleep late, urinate in public, and get the job done)
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To: george76

Perhaps it’s just the Spotted Owl’s time to become extinct.


15 posted on 02/09/2011 11:27:55 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: george76

Some owls are more equal than others.


16 posted on 02/09/2011 11:39:13 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: george76

No one should kill a bird of prey for any reason.

Never, ever.

My great uncle told me once that the one regret in his life was the great horn owls and hawks he killed when trapping.

Birds of prey are a sign of a healthy environment.


17 posted on 02/09/2011 11:45:14 PM PST by mmercier (the guilty man)
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To: george76

The over educated paper readers are just looking for more funding.

If they get it and start killing the owls it doesn’t mean the other owl will increase in population.

What it does mean is that the wild rodent population will suddenly explode increasing the chances of them coming into contact with humans and increasing the chances of disease.


18 posted on 02/10/2011 12:08:32 AM PST by Lera
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To: george76

Gov picking winners again.... How long till they make them both extinct?


19 posted on 02/10/2011 2:49:39 AM PST by BlueStateMadness (Two commonly violated premises: you can save people from themselves, and the free lunch myth)
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To: george76

Like Global Warming, let’s stop Evolution in it’s tracks! Pick winners and losers.


20 posted on 02/10/2011 3:07:13 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: broken_arrow1
an environmental ethicist

???

21 posted on 02/10/2011 3:40:26 AM PST by VRWCtaz (America has Zero to be ashamed of.)
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To: george76

So, what do they do when the barred owl is endangered?

If the spotted owl can’t compete...AMF!


22 posted on 02/10/2011 3:47:14 AM PST by hattend (Obama got his 3am call about Egypt. The call went right to the answering machine.- Sarah Palin)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Not as tasty as fried spotted owls.


23 posted on 02/10/2011 3:57:34 AM PST by Vor Lady
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To: Vor Lady

Give the owls guns and let them fight it out. Survival of the fittest.


24 posted on 02/10/2011 4:36:23 AM PST by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: george76

what’s the point of forcing schools to teach the theory of evolution as fact, a theory that hinges on the concept of natural selection and survival of the fittest.. only to turn around and try to stop evolution from happening right in front of them?

oh wait.. democrats. nothing they do makes any sense anyway.


25 posted on 02/10/2011 4:46:35 AM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: Uncle Miltie

“”Are barred owls tasty?””

Dunno, but if they are, they’d be a heck of a meal. Had one perched on the clothesline post by my pack door this past fall, and that sucker was BIG.

The owls eat well around here; we have voles out the whazoo, squirrels - red, grey, and flying - chipmunks, and lots of field mice.


26 posted on 02/10/2011 6:01:03 AM PST by Peet (Leftists think personal liberty is so important it must be carefully rationed.)
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To: george76

If Mother Nature wants to wipe out the Spotted Owl by sending in Barred Owls, then that’s how it should be.
We should not interfere, unless it gets in the way of lumbering.


27 posted on 02/10/2011 6:08:22 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Re-Elect President Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: george76
This "loss of habitat" is such a tired old canard...

From the Oregon Department of Forestry:

Oregon Forestation c. 1850

Oregon Forestation 2010

28 posted on 02/10/2011 6:12:29 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Uncle Miltie
"Are barred owls tasty?"

Haven't had a turkey for Thanksgiving in years...


29 posted on 02/10/2011 6:15:02 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Great pic. What a beautiful bird.


30 posted on 02/10/2011 6:30:16 AM PST by greatplains
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To: Uncle Miltie
"Are barred owls tasty?"

You have it backwards. The question should be: Are spotted owls tasty? It is well known that the best solution to remediate declining species is to hunt them. Hunted species historically thrive, since the hunters see to it that conditions promoting their prized targets prevail.

31 posted on 02/10/2011 7:27:58 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: george76

Thanks for the ping.

The enviro nazis and so-called biologists basically killed the lumber industry in OR, adversely affected the livelihood of hundreds of thousands in OR and now 30 or so years later they oops!, we made a mistake.

Leave the owls alone to fend for themselves and increase timber sales, maybe they’ll be able to rebuild some mills and create some jobs.


32 posted on 02/10/2011 9:47:11 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

now that logging is acknowledged not to be the problem .

Any chances that the communists / ecos will allow logging ?


33 posted on 02/10/2011 11:04:07 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I sincerely doubt it. The enviro nazis knew it was phony then, it was just a means of killing the industry and for the most part they were successful.

At the time there was a large influx of people into OR and they thought cutting timber was terrible because it “raped” the land and looked awful. After all, they moved there to be part of the great outdoors and get away from city life.

If timber sales were about to increase any appreciable amount the nazis would come up with another sham, in fact they probably already have several in mind.


34 posted on 02/10/2011 11:16:40 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

We are seeing some allowed USFS logging near homes of the limo-liberals because the beattle killed pine looks ugly and presents a real forest fire problem to those limo-liberal mansions.

Fun to watch as USFS logging is now good , if it is near their mansions.


35 posted on 02/10/2011 11:25:34 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Isn’t it strange how they can change their minds so quickly about something that’s put millions out of work but if it is going to affect them they forget about their principles?

They’re hypocritical b*******.


36 posted on 02/10/2011 12:00:59 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: george76; jazusamo; Carry_Okie; girlangler
Belated thanks for the ping, George! Been out in the field but now I'm back for awhile.

I had no idea they were killing the barred owls now. Shocking.

But here is something we should be aware of: Many consider the barred owl and spotted owl to be THE SAME SPECIES! This point is briefly touched upon in the full article, but it doesn't go in depth into this issue. In the Northwest, where the two races come into contatct, they FREQUENTLY interbreed, producing a mixed race that ornithologists call the "sparred owl." No joke. Many in the field consider this active interbreeding to be the chief threat to the pure race known as the "spotted" owl.

But that's the way of nature, isn't it? And I'm truly shocked that some would want to wipe out the pure race of barred owls that are moving south in that region.

Thanks for this post. It's good to know what's going on up there.

37 posted on 02/12/2011 6:37:54 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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