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Spengler: Chinese weather on Tahrir Square (Must Read)
Asia Times ^ | 2/10/2011 | David "Spengler" Goldman

Posted on 02/11/2011 2:25:29 PM PST by mojito

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To: mojito
Israel, in a bid to survive, accepts Dhimmi status under the flag of the Keepers of the Land of the Two Mosques. An arrangement is made where the Palestine overflow is absorbed by hook or crook across the region, with token gains in Jerusalem. Saudi clerics sanction the peace. Oil money joins Israeli expertise, joins large Egyptian population and American trained military staff and equipment. Israeli arms too boot. Good Bye Shi’Ali Persian world dominance dreams. Just sayin’.
61 posted on 02/11/2011 7:54:21 PM PST by massatoosits
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To: esquirette

ping ... read the whole article


62 posted on 02/11/2011 8:09:33 PM PST by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: mojito

Once upon a time Egypt supplied wheat to the rest of the ancient world.


63 posted on 02/11/2011 8:19:36 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mojito

He quotes the ur-Spengler:

“Optimism is cowardice.”


64 posted on 02/11/2011 8:29:08 PM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: mojito

That is indeed food for thought. Thanks for the post.


65 posted on 02/11/2011 9:09:02 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: mojito

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66 posted on 02/11/2011 9:11:20 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: mojito
While it comes as no surprise that the usual media idiots such as Friedman and Cohen are doing their best to cast the situation as Berlin in '89 and their own idol 0bama as another Reagan, in fact they are as silly and irrelevant as U.S. foreign policy has been in this particular matter. It won't stop them from being even sillier, their object being to win an American election in 2012. The Egyptians are only interesting to our media insofar as they are useful in that regard.

But in fact, Egypt is for sale. And the list of buyers is being constrained by food, if Spengler is correct, and the usual suspect, China, will be unlikely to bid inasmuch as she would be bidding against her own domestic market by enabling the Egyptians to compete. That leaves the U.S., the IMF, which is to a great degree the same thing, the Europeans, and the Russians, to squabble over power and prestige while the common people in Egypt cinch their belts up another notch.

What we will hear from the U.S. media - and this isn't so much a prediction as a tiresome repetition of past performance - is a championing of 0bama for proposing to place the burden on the U.S. taxpayer and a condemnation of the evil Republicans in Congress for failing to bankroll the thing from empty pockets. That 2010 election is starting to appear to have consequences that PR can't wash away. And that's all fine, but who then will bid for the bellies, and hence the hearts, of the Egyptians? Russia? They do, after all, have a long track record in that area. But do they have the cash, and what will they be buying if they do? Iran? A long history of steadily draining support for Islamism in Israel's environs and a ruinous nuclear program have emptied that purse as well. So who has the money?

The Saudis, more specifically the Wahabbi, have. Cleverly spent they might provide a temporary bulwark in Egypt against a similar populist tide in Saudi Arabia. Spent in pursuit of a Sunni Islamism, which is far more likely, it bodes well for the Islamists and poorly for the common Egyptian, because as the latter becomes more desperate, it will take less and less money to procure more and more influence over him. The starving who cannot be fed can still be made to be angry against a customary scapegoat; it's cheap and it worked well in Germany before the war.

That is the theme here, whether one is looking at the Democrats in Washington D.C. or the Iranians in Tehran or the Wahabbi fanatics in Mecca. Where wealth cannot feed, hatred can still confer political power.

67 posted on 02/11/2011 9:40:38 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: mojito

ping


68 posted on 02/11/2011 10:32:56 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: expatpat
While I agree that male circumcision is an unkind cut, its horrors pale in comparison to the female circumcision as practiced in many parts of the Islamic world.

Ask an ER doc in a city with a large Somali population. On the International Mutilation Scale, The IMS, male circumcision gets a 1, and female circumcision, a 10. (I made that up)

The UN has even recommended male circumcision as an AIDS prevention protocol.(That's true.)

69 posted on 02/11/2011 10:44:47 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Man up, Mubarak ... you're Air Force and you done OK!)
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To: FatherofFive
Free Markets, Individual liberty, a government without corruption.

The only solution . . . JESUS CHRIST

Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom.

70 posted on 02/12/2011 4:44:07 AM PST by stars & stripes forever
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Honestly, a military coup was probably going to happen in the next year or so anyway.
Mubarak was getting ready to turn things over to his son, and the military doesn’t care for his son. Rather than allow his son to bring the country down even further over the next year, this just allowed things to speed up a bit, which might be a good thing.


71 posted on 02/12/2011 4:50:26 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: FatherofFive

Egypt is socialist. I don’t think they understand what freedom and liberty means. Is it just to be able to vote?


72 posted on 02/12/2011 5:06:06 AM PST by panthermom
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To: ScreamingFist

Sounds like Detroit.


73 posted on 02/12/2011 5:09:41 AM PST by free from tyranny
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Unless the GOP stands very tall, Obama will send a river of increasingly devalued US dollars to the new Egyptian government accompanied by the usual vapid rhetoric. He will try to send money even if direct appropriations are blocked.
74 posted on 02/12/2011 5:45:14 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Any government meddling in the commodities markets will have a domino effect on all the rest. When corn prices are artificially inflated and purchased for non-edible reasons, first it leaves a void that some other grain will have to fill, and secondly, more land will be devoted to corn production because of the higher return resulting in a net loss of acreage for other crops.

Save the corn for whiskey and tortillas!


75 posted on 02/12/2011 6:56:33 AM PST by SouthTexas (Is it time for tea yet?)
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To: Billthedrill
Good analysis. The Saudis definitely have enough enlightened self-interest to handle this. They have the money, the brains, and the will. They also have the need to put a lid on all of this quickly before the benighted in KSA get any non-productive ideas.

That means right now they lead us 4-0.

76 posted on 02/12/2011 9:42:21 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Man up, Mubarak ... you're Air Force and you done OK!)
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To: mac_truck
Once upon a time Egypt supplied wheat to the rest of the ancient world.

And not too long ago Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) was the breadbasket of Africa. Now they can't feed themselves.

Socialism leads to economic prosperity for all! Diversity is our strength! /s

77 posted on 02/12/2011 10:19:32 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: panthermom
Egypt is socialist. I don’t think they understand what freedom and liberty means. Is it just to be able to vote?

A socialist Islamist state has ZERO chance of prosperity. They can vote all they want. They will elect Islamists who do not allow freedom

78 posted on 02/12/2011 10:29:16 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

Egypt’s socialist economy is a reason. Another is population. In 1960, there were 27 million Egyptians. Today, there are 83 million. They’ve more than tripled in population and remain illiterate.


79 posted on 02/12/2011 1:50:40 PM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: RightField

And what if the Chinese move in with their own ‘aid’ and liberate the Suez?


80 posted on 02/12/2011 3:13:05 PM PST by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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