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Rumsfeld: "Time Has Come" To Allow Gays To Serve Openly
ABC News ^ | 2/11/11 | Steven Portnoy

Posted on 02/12/2011 6:12:20 PM PST by FTJM

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To: Dominic01
"what’s the big deal with all the big name conservatives supporting the gay agenda all of a sudden? what happened to palin and breitbart? are we living in a twilight zone or something?"

Spoiled families are more likely to include homosexual members. Hundreds of them have been rounded up in raids on city parks in at least one small City in the Midwest, and most of the arrestees were professionals with higher incomes. As for business and politics, as with other drug addicts, they do network more than most heterosexuals.


51 posted on 02/12/2011 6:56:48 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: silentreignofheroes

notice how all this comes out during a convention and selling books
They had no balls during their service but now jump on a 2% perverted bandwagon

Well this only makes me fight them more and more.


52 posted on 02/12/2011 6:57:42 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: manc

Free Republic is the last bastion of sanity in a world gone completely mad.


53 posted on 02/12/2011 7:00:02 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

“I am starting to get an Oliver complex....”

That was bound to happen once that shyster Mr. Haney became president... and he promoted Hank Kimball from witless county agent to Director of Intelligence.


54 posted on 02/12/2011 7:00:56 PM PST by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: FTJM

55 posted on 02/12/2011 7:00:56 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: FTJM

Rumsfeld is and always has been a complete idiot. His view on this subject is simply another piece of evidence proving the point. He idiocy was on full display during the early days of the War on Terror, but many on this forum were in full denial shouting, RUMMY, RUMMY, RUMMY without any critical analysis of who the guy really was.

Rumsfeld, Bremer, and Sanchez were the architects of failure in the early days of Iraq and its time for Freepers to wake up and realize what a loser this guy really is.


56 posted on 02/12/2011 7:01:04 PM PST by centurion316
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To: FTJM

And ... will Rumsfeld be telling us the "time has come" to reinstate the draft because enlistment of capable individuals declines because of the efforts to politicize the military? Probably.


57 posted on 02/12/2011 7:01:19 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: fr_freak
This is an enormous logical fallacy which I see repeated more and more often. First, this "acceptance" of homosexuality as normal has not "evolved"; it was forced on us. A majority of the country NOW doesn't approve of homosexual marriage, for instance, yet the courts are forcing it on us and Hollywood and most other media are promoting it heavily, all while leftwing teachers are brainwashing our kids with it. This has not been an evolution of culture - it has been a force feeding, and now the force feeders are saying, "well, now that you've eaten it, I guess you must like it."

Very well said!

58 posted on 02/12/2011 7:01:21 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: prairiebreeze

It will be their downfall.

It appears that America will have to get much worse before it gets better.


59 posted on 02/12/2011 7:03:23 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: prairiebreeze

it seems the GOP thinks that if they stay silent on socialm issues then they might win.
Well that did not work two years ago did it and when the states do look at social issues then they vote for normal traditional values

the GOP , talk radio like Hannity are cowards when it comes ot these issues and for me they are now dead and no money from me


60 posted on 02/12/2011 7:03:50 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: FTJM

Rumsfeld says it is the will of the people??? Where are his stats on this? I used to think Rumsfeld was a truth speaker but this latest burst makes me think he was and is nothing more than an approval seeker. However, I might veer my mind on this if someone can clue me in on what the Founding Fathers thought about homosexualality.


61 posted on 02/12/2011 7:04:20 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: FTJM

Rumsfeld says it is the will of the people??? Where are his stats on this? I used to think Rumsfeld was a truth speaker but this latest burst makes me think he was and is nothing more than an approval seeker. However, I might veer my mind on this if someone can clue me in on what the Founding Fathers thought about homosexualality.


62 posted on 02/12/2011 7:04:35 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: FTJM

Rumsfeld says it is the will of the people??? Where are his stats on this? I used to think Rumsfeld was a truth speaker but this latest burst makes me think he was and is nothing more than an approval seeker. However, I might veer my mind on this if someone can clue me in on what the Founding Fathers thought about homosexualality.


63 posted on 02/12/2011 7:04:51 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: central_va

damn right and even here though we have pro queer idiots,

if only


64 posted on 02/12/2011 7:05:10 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: FTJM
Have these idiots not learned a thing from history?

Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire

And don't forget the Greeks where they separate the men from the boys - with a crowbar

65 posted on 02/12/2011 7:06:14 PM PST by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: little jeremiah

GOProud? What they want is to GOPROUDLY, right up the posterior of the man in front of them!


66 posted on 02/12/2011 7:06:48 PM PST by outhousepatrol
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To: noinfringers2
In Washington’s Army Sodomy “Infamous Crime” Deserving “Abhorrence/and Detestation;” Shalikashvili Says No Problem, Open Sex Perverts Should Be Recruited Into Our Military
67 posted on 02/12/2011 7:07:58 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: manc

Your fighting spirit is just what the doctor ordered. The only reason the fags and their supporters have the power they have is because not enough people have had the fighting spirit.


68 posted on 02/12/2011 7:08:02 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

we need Demint or someone with balls to fight this perversion

They are trying to make it look like that they’re a majority when they are not

People are not thinking when it comes to these same sex people and what they want because of how they get off

Bush was a complete failure , I want to see a real conservative who will stand up for Americans and morals not some pansy who says we have to reach out and be a big tent

all these people care about is their power and wealth, we care about this country and her future


69 posted on 02/12/2011 7:08:58 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: onyx
Makes ya wonder how many homosexuals hold power.

A lot of them. And they control a lot of money also.

70 posted on 02/12/2011 7:13:19 PM PST by sport
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To: centurion316
Rumsfeld is and always has been a complete idiot. His view on this subject is simply another piece of evidence proving the point. He idiocy was on full display during the early days of the War on Terror, but many on this forum were in full denial shouting, RUMMY, RUMMY, RUMMY without any critical analysis of who the guy really was. Rumsfeld, Bremer, and Sanchez were the architects of failure in the early days of Iraq and its time for Freepers to wake up and realize what a loser this guy really is.

His tenure as Sec of Def under Ford wasn't so great either. When W picked him the word BOHICA came to mind. He started a military downturn under Ford that took several years to recover from.

71 posted on 02/12/2011 7:14:00 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: FTJM

Perverted homosexuals chant they were born that way. Yet when you apply that same line of bs to any other perversion. The homosexuals chant it is learned. So when is the military going to start allowing child molesters, rapist, people into incest, people into bestiality, people into sex with dead bodies, and so on and so on? Hell under the perverted homosexuals chant of born that way. Homophobes can use it.


72 posted on 02/12/2011 7:15:44 PM PST by DMG2FUN
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To: sport

Sorry Donald, just as I don’t agree with men and women serving in combat, a couple of gays or one gay and a willing accomplice in a foxhole could compromise the whole platoon or company. Give it a rest. Common sense should rule on this one, as witnessed by the United States Marine Corps. Semper Fi.


73 posted on 02/12/2011 7:15:47 PM PST by yorkie01
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To: manc

They care about their power and their wealth, and their parties, and popularity with other elites, and their private perversions and vices.

One thing we need to fully grasp - there ARE MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM!!!!


74 posted on 02/12/2011 7:16:09 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: FTJM

Personally, I think that any homosexual in the military who lets it be known they are a homosexual, is an idiot.

1) To start with, the military is not about sexuality in the first place. It is not a jobs program, or a social laboratory. As Rush Limbaugh succinctly puts it, “The purpose of a military is to kill people and break things.” Anything that distracts from that mission diminishes that mission. By this I mean that it gets *our* people killed and *our* stuff broken.

2) The reason that females are not permitted in combat units is because many males have an instinctual response when they see or think they see a female in danger. Instinctual responses cannot be trained out of a person, group therapied out of a person, or ordered out of a person. And though some females are physically and mentally capable of serving in a combat unit, they are outnumbered 10 or 20 to 1 by males who would be handicapped in their presence.

Likewise, many men have an instinctual revulsion to homosexuals. And in a percentage of those men, this revulsion is to the extent of homicide. It is impossible to distinguish them from other men, yet again their numbers are so significantly greater, and their superiority as soldiers is so great, that no number of homosexuals could make up for their loss.

3) Homosexuality has nothing to do with job performance, but the declaration of homosexuality has as its purpose ulterior motives outside of job performance. But what would these motives be?

Generally, it would be to assert that the individual was a member of a “protected class”, to evade performance of their duties. Likewise, this inherently contains a threat of complaint, jumping the chain of command, if they are still required to perform their duties. In either case it is intolerable within the ranks.

Otherwise, declaration of homosexuality would be to object to responses to a previous declaration of homosexuality. For example, a soldier tells their peers that they are homosexual, and they socially reject him because of it. So the homosexual complains to a superior about his social rejection as a demand that his peers be ordered to accept his homosexuality and readmit him to their peer group.

In other words, for a homosexual to declare their homosexuality either means that he wants special favors, or to use his homosexuality to force others to respect him for it.


75 posted on 02/12/2011 7:20:45 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: FTJM

I hope this ends the hero worship of this man. File him with Cheney.


76 posted on 02/12/2011 7:21:46 PM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: manc

Stock up,even the ones some here hail,turn their back on you.Don’t be surprised,be prepared.


77 posted on 02/12/2011 7:23:41 PM PST by silentreignofheroes
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To: prairiebreeze

The GOP has decided that social issues aren’t to be addressed. It just may be their downfall.
____________________________________________________________

They should take a look at how that strategy worked out in Massachusetts this past November....

New Mass. Republican Party Chairman says party will no longer oppose same-sex “marriage”, abortion, other “social issues”
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09b/nassour/index.html

Mass GOP convention nominates most extreme pro-gay Governor & Lt. Governor candidates in history
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/10b/gop_convention/index.html

Mass. GOP Lt. Governor candidate Tisei gives interview to homosexual magazine — pushing gay agenda
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/election10/tisei_spirit_mag/index.html

GOP Candidate for Governor Charlie Baker marches with hateful anti-family homosexual activist leaders in Gay Pride parade
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/10c/pride_week/baker.html

Mass. Republicans lose ALL statewide & Congressional races
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/election10/general/results_statewide.html

Mass. Republican Party’s RINO strategy a big part of election losses in top state races
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/election10/gop_strategy/index.html


78 posted on 02/12/2011 7:25:41 PM PST by massmike (DADT repeal: the Boy Scouts now have tougher membership requirements than the Army!)
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To: FTJM

Are there no men left in the GOP?


79 posted on 02/12/2011 7:27:12 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: FTJM

How about poodle plookers, Rummy? How about pedophiles? Maybe we could toss in a few rapists for good measure to ensure this little social experiment is complete?


80 posted on 02/12/2011 7:27:35 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: FTJM

Are you smoking crack, Don? A me-me, we-we anti-perpetuation-of-self, anti-life, whiney collective ripping apart the greatest force for individual liberty in the history of civilization. What other collective’s DEMANDS must be met?


81 posted on 02/12/2011 7:27:39 PM PST by PGalt
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To: central_va

You are too late..

http://hnn.us/articles/96.html


82 posted on 02/12/2011 7:32:59 PM PST by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name. Want to have fun? Google your friend's names.....)
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To: cva66snipe

“A shower is waiting for you.”

Rummy is a man that has served in so many ways and in so many capacities (enlisted, elected and appointed) that he’s done SOMETHING to piss of just about everybody.

Love him or hate him, it would be a mistake to underestimate his factoring in American history.

But I gotta say, your ‘shower’ comment made me wonder...

I don’t think I could be gay and be in the military. I do know that if I, a rabidly hetero dynamo were required to take showers with dozens of young and fit girls when told to rather than only when ‘in control’ of myself, then my... ah... hormones might reveal my less-than-honorable thoughts. I’d probably be at attention constantly.

Would not a young, equally hormone-driven gay, be as transparent at times?

Would not also the next step in cultural evolution and gender equity mean that normal guys and gals be put into the showers together? I mean if gays can get a government job that allows them to scan a naked population of one’s preferred sex in order gather prime intelligence about potential conquests, why shouldn’t normals be allowed to do it.

I mean, it’s like being in the TSA but without having to look at and feel up the undesired gender.


83 posted on 02/12/2011 7:38:42 PM PST by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: FTJM

Hard to believe this was the same tight lipped Rummy of shortly after the 9/11 attacks and then the assaults in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Even a fool is thought wise if he says nothing.

Anyhow, why should America expect turning barracks into cat-and-dog houses to bring success in military campaigns?


84 posted on 02/12/2011 7:40:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: FTJM; dynachrome; rockabyebaby; MrCFdovnh; Jim 0216; abigail2; fabian; 09Patriot
Will this be the look of our future Veteran's Day parades?

Our time has come

Thanks Rummy, IDIOT!

85 posted on 02/12/2011 8:00:37 PM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: steve86
"The camp of true believers and those complicit with God’s instructions is getting smaller and smaller. But then we were told that was going to happen!"

Yep, the persecution is coming. Fortunately, that's when the church really strengthens.

Might as well continue to weed out the tares!

86 posted on 02/12/2011 8:13:20 PM PST by haywoodwebb (Islam is a violent political ideology masquerading as a religion . . . Black & Humble)
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To: FTJM
Glad to see our elites are all on the same page. Our so-called leaders not only have feet of clay, they're made of clay for heaven's sake.

Do all of them lack the courage to stand up against the homosexual left?

This is a sick, sick country. We are in the process of squandering our last bit of built up cultural capital. When it's gone, and our leaders are completely morally bankrupt, things will really begin to get ugly. I tremble when I imagine what things will be like when my children are grown.
87 posted on 02/12/2011 8:24:46 PM PST by Antoninus (The slogan for the 2012 election: Better a known enemy than a false friend. Say no to Romney.)
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To: samtheman
Do we need any more proof that the Bush administration was never what we conservatives thought and hoped it would be?

Exactly. We were had. The GOP has used us since 1988 and we've got absolutely nothing to show for it except complete surrender to the perverts in the culture war.
88 posted on 02/12/2011 8:27:38 PM PST by Antoninus (The slogan for the 2012 election: Better a known enemy than a false friend. Say no to Romney.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Ladies and Gentlemen, we’re going to have to start a new country.

That is exactly what I was just thinking. I will never be part of a country that considers sodomy a God-given right.
89 posted on 02/12/2011 8:30:39 PM PST by Antoninus (The slogan for the 2012 election: Better a known enemy than a false friend. Say no to Romney.)
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To: FTJM

This is bizarre. I had a dream last night that I was seeing Rumsfeld in the news attacking conservativism but it wasn’t on this issue but another one. Now I am having trouble remembering what it was.

But here he is making remarks that fly in the face of freedom. He thinks it is time to pervert our military.

Unbelievable! This thread should have a BARF alert.


90 posted on 02/12/2011 8:31:35 PM PST by TheBigIf
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To: BuddhaBrown
On a ship of several thousand they just don't keep it too themselves. I caught two in a shower once but could not ID them except they were cooks and from the Philippines. Several others were caught in the rack as well. It's kinda disgusting to be eating a meal and have some freak sit down and start talking about how he's the head {latrine} cleaner at such and such a space on the ship.

On ships a space of 30'X30' has bunks stacked 3 high and about 150 men in them. You don't have any privacy to start with and who wants a gay giving them the eye? Meaning the military is no place for social engineering especially combat commands like ships or combat ground units.

The ones caught when I was in were promptly discharged form the service for the good of the service. The chopper or personel plane would be ready for launch while the personalman was typing the orders off the ship to be signed by the Captain. It was a very quick ticket off ship as it should have been.

91 posted on 02/12/2011 8:32:11 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: sickoflibs
I hope this ends the hero worship of this man. File him with Cheney.

Agreed. I have lost all respect for him. To think, I even considered buying his book! I'm glad he said this now before I wasted the money.
92 posted on 02/12/2011 8:36:37 PM PST by Antoninus (The slogan for the 2012 election: Better a known enemy than a false friend. Say no to Romney.)
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To: FTJM
Yes! On the front line, in hot pink and heels! That’ll draw all those extremist, goat lovin’, sharia practicin’ types out into the open!
93 posted on 02/12/2011 8:43:00 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Ladies and Gentlemen, we’re going to have to start a new country.

I don't mind if there are gay conservatives that want to participate in the political process I don't have much of a problem with that, generally, I have one rule, "get a room" and keep it private. As to the military, at worst, this needs a lot more study instead of allowing homosexuals to serve for PC's sake. At best, DADT should remain in force.

But, yeah, there is a side of me that thinks maybe we need to start a new country and/or start over. The system as it is now is like a computer that has been up and running, the O/S has lots of patches, the disc drive if fragmented and it is running slow. I think we a reformat and reinstall in a minimalist O/S followed by a reboot.

Some people think maybe we could start over in the Phillipines, Costa Rica, Panama and/or Grenada while others support succession. Sometimes I think America has "jumped the shark."
94 posted on 02/12/2011 8:48:21 PM PST by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: whatisthetruth

So sorry to hear that from Rummy!


95 posted on 02/12/2011 8:50:16 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: BuddhaBrown
That was bound to happen once that shyster Mr. Haney became president... and he promoted Hank Kimball from witless county agent to Director of Intelligence.

Crap, man, that would be an improvement over what we have now.
96 posted on 02/12/2011 8:50:43 PM PST by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Antoninus
RE :”Agreed. I have lost all respect for him. To think, I even considered buying his book! I'm glad he said this now before I wasted the money.

I lost faith in Bush-Cheney-Rummy at the end of 2006, realizing that I was duped by then. I got some grief here for going against the talk radio/Bush Koolaid position on them which I previously believed: "Stay the course". I look back at it now as a dark period.

I still remember 1993 when Clinton's gays in the military promise caused him lots of political grief leading to DADT instead. It was a different America back then. I miss it.

97 posted on 02/12/2011 8:57:05 PM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: sickoflibs

most of talk radio are cowards who cannot talk abut social issue, the likes of Hannity piss me off, all he ever does is talk debt, or health care but try and call in about conservative issues like abortion, homosexual agenda etc and they tell you not today

of course they’re happy to take conservative money and when vets and those serving needed a voice about don’t ask he was silent, some , infact many of us called in and we were all told not to discuss it

COWARDS


98 posted on 02/12/2011 9:35:49 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: FTJM

“Standing at Attention” is now a phrase not allowed to be used.

“Present Arms” was also banned (little more subtle). “About Face” is being considered to be dropped from the lexicon too.

“Rear Admiral” has already been discontinued. In fact anything with “rear” in it has been banned. Rear infantry, rear entry, etc. All gone.

Engineering brigades can’t saying “laying pipe” anymore.

More to come.


99 posted on 02/12/2011 9:36:39 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: silentreignofheroes

Yes, he is wrong.

These are instances that show everyone can be wrong on certain things. This is just one thing Rummy’s wrong about.


100 posted on 02/12/2011 9:37:48 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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