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Obama admin. asks judge to clarify health ruling
Associated Press ^ | 2/17./11 | Melissa Nelson

Posted on 02/17/2011 5:55:26 PM PST by Nachum

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To: Cicero
Or are they afraid of what might happen if they appeal?

They know exactly wht would happen.

This is their version of the four-corners offense. They're dragging their heels and running the clock. No appeal will be filed until the final moment...and every form of judicial delay will be attempted.

They don't want this case decided...until after the 2012 election.

21 posted on 02/17/2011 6:31:48 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Nachum
What part of 'unconstitutional' don't you understand?

CLUELESS-224sm

22 posted on 02/17/2011 6:35:02 PM PST by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Safrguns

Let me get this straight - Obama’s [in]Justice Department is asking a federal judge in Florida on Thursday to tell states that they must continue to enact the Obama administration’s health care overhaul, even though it has been found to be unconstitutional. What a bunch of stupid idiots we have running the USA What am I missing here?


23 posted on 02/17/2011 7:05:30 PM PST by Mr. Wright
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To: Nachum

Oh goodie, they are leading with their chin.


24 posted on 02/17/2011 7:09:46 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just restock [chg'd to comply w/ The Civility in Discourse Act of 2011])
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To: Mr. Wright

Affirmative Action PERSONIFIED!!!!!!


25 posted on 02/17/2011 7:10:04 PM PST by jivin gene (Breakin' up is hard to do)
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To: Safrguns

Even if a court does declare a law unconstitutional you can as part of the appeal process request a stay of the action required by the court. It’s up to the court to decide if they want to grant it or not. It’s not automatic as I understand it. Did the Obama administration request a stay? Was it granted?


26 posted on 02/17/2011 7:11:25 PM PST by airedale
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To: Nachum

Obama to the Judge “Come, now Judge I am a constitutional scholar whom was trained at Haaarvard. I was a constititutional law Professor at the University of Chicago in Chicago, Illinois where I made 50,00 a year and I was a state Senator. The law is not unconstitutional in anyway, heck if they do not puy health care they will be punished with a tax. I am the president of the US, and you work for me.”

Judge vinson response “We the People... and goes on for four pages.

Obama “What is i that you just read, can I get a copy of it that sounded really good, I really do not understand that Commerce Clause. Hey what happened to the Good and Plenty Clause the Rep. Conyers from Michigan advised me that was in it. Also the redistribution of wealth that I believe that the courts and the founding fathers forgot to include.

Judge, The US Constitution is not the Communist Manifesto that you seem to be able to recite verbatim. I encourage to to go the Smithsonian Institute in Washington DC and read the original Constittion.

Obama returns back to Washington DC, he later calls the Judge

Obam hey judge I cannot read the original constittution because the words are in a strange language and they are not printed out, and I cannot read it to good because I cannot fit it on my teleprompter.

Judge “ Obama you really are a pissant and I am encourageing the Supreme Court to reopen your birth certificate issue. You really are not a citizen of the US, you truly are British Subject.

This is just an understanding of the conversation that Obama has had with Judge Vinson and he tried to intimidate the Judge to change his mind and he desired the Judge to expound upon his ruling because Obama is unable to understand the legalese included in 78 pages. What me read the Health care Law. I never read it I had ghost writers write it for me and I have no idea what is iin it.

Yes I know you did not read it, because on a certain page in the healthcare law there is a page in it that you failed to read. The Page has this written Obama is spoiled rotten rich kid, whose mommy was married to a standard oil tycoon in Indonesia and I was adopted and my name is legally Barry Soetoro and I attended Occidential and Columbia University as an International Student from Indonesia.

( This is all satire) But it could be true because no one in DC really has ever read the law in its entirety.


27 posted on 02/17/2011 7:15:14 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Nachum
The Justice Department asked a federal judge in Florida on Thursday to tell states that they must continue to enact the Obama administration's health care overhaul despite the judge's ruling that the law is unconstitutional.

Capital W. Capital T. Capital F.

28 posted on 02/17/2011 7:16:51 PM PST by denydenydeny (Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak-Adams)
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To: hondact200

Obama lawyers: Blahblahblahblah (implied threats)

Judge: No

Obama lawyers: Socialism, Blahblahblah, Blahblahblah (more threats)

Judge: No


29 posted on 02/17/2011 7:17:53 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: airedale

>>> Even if a court does declare a law unconstitutional you can as part of the appeal process request a stay of the action required by the court.

Provided that the law in question contains a sever-ability clause... which Obamacare does not.

Furthermore, in the judge’s ruling, he specifically addressed the absence of a sever-ability clause and it’s impact on his ruling.

Finally, shortly after the ruling was made public, the judge DID clarify his position, stating that the ban on implementation was IMPLIED by the nature of his ruling.


30 posted on 02/17/2011 7:18:01 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Nachum

Obama to the Judge “Come, now Judge I am a constitutional scholar whom was trained at Haaarvard. I was a constititutional law Professor at the University of Chicago in Chicago, Illinois where I made 50,00 a year and I was a state Senator. The law is not unconstitutional in anyway, heck if they do not puy health care they will be punished with a tax. I am the president of the US, and you work for me.”

Judge vinson response “We the People... and goes on for four pages.

Obama “What is i that you just read, can I get a copy of it that sounded really good, I really do not understand that Commerce Clause. Hey what happened to the Good and Plenty Clause the Rep. Conyers from Michigan advised me that was in it. Also the redistribution of wealth that I believe that the courts and the founding fathers forgot to include.

Judge, The US Constitution is not the Communist Manifesto that you seem to be able to recite verbatim. I encourage to to go the Smithsonian Institute in Washington DC and read the original Constittion.

Obama returns back to Washington DC, he later calls the Judge

Obam hey judge I cannot read the original constittution because the words are in a strange language and they are not printed out, and I cannot read it to good because I cannot fit it on my teleprompter.

Judge “ Obama you really are a pissant and I am encourageing the Supreme Court to reopen your birth certificate issue. You really are not a citizen of the US, you truly are British Subject.

This is just an understanding of the conversation that Obama has had with Judge Vinson and he tried to intimidate the Judge to change his mind and he desired the Judge to expound upon his ruling because Obama is unable to understand the legalese included in 78 pages. What me read the Health care Law. I never read it I had ghost writers write it for me and I have no idea what is iin it.

Yes I know you did not read it, because on a certain page in the healthcare law there is a page in it that you failed to read. The Page has this written Obama is spoiled rotten rich kid, whose mommy was married to a standard oil tycoon in Indonesia and I was adopted and my name is legally Barry Soetoro and I attended Occidential and Columbia University as an International Student from Indonesia.

( This is all satire) But it could be true because no one in DC really has ever read the law in its entirety.


31 posted on 02/17/2011 7:18:50 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Nachum
How about the House initiating Articles of Impeachment?
32 posted on 02/17/2011 7:26:44 PM PST by leprechaun9
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To: denydenydeny

WTF?

Obama is trying to create a Constitution crises. He thinks the idiots who watch Jerry Springer and Oprah will rise up to defend him when they start the impeachment trial.

Barry, bring on the riots. YOU will go down with the rioters.


33 posted on 02/17/2011 7:29:24 PM PST by politicianslie (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders)
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To: jivin gene

. . . and Jesse Jackson said, “. . . mend it - don’t end it!”


34 posted on 02/17/2011 7:38:38 PM PST by Mr. Wright
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To: politicianslie
O'Bunghole would do well not to prepare for what we might do, rather he should prepare for what we can do.

Under our Constitution, if we decide that he's not fulfilling his Oath of Office, we can remove him summarily and replace his kommie ass.

8^D

35 posted on 02/17/2011 7:40:55 PM PST by Gargantua (Palin ~ West 2012... Demand Exceptional--America deserves the best)
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To: Safrguns

The severablity clause would allow the severed part to be ignored while the rest of the law is enforced. A stay is a judicial hold on a decision until something else happens as specified in the stay. In this case it would stay the decision which would require the states to continue to prepare for ObamaCare until the appeals court or SCOTUS weighed in. Here in California with Prop 8 (Gay Marriage initiative) the court decided it was unconstitutional but issued a stay of the order until the appeals could be heard and decided. The reasoning was that if they didn’t issue the stay and people got married and an upper court declared the law unconstitutional then the couples who got married during that period would be thrown into limbo. Their marriages wouldn’t have been valid. In this case the argument for the stay would be that the states need time to prepare and put things in place before the law goes into effect. That’s grounds for a stay but not good grounds since there is no irreparable condition caused by the implementation of the court decision. If it’s ruled constitutional by a higher court then the states will just have less time to implement it. That said if the court didn’t issue a stay one side can make the other parties comply with the law that’s been held unconstitutional


36 posted on 02/17/2011 7:45:11 PM PST by airedale
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To: jerseyrocks

>> Let’s try to understand this. The Administration can understand a 2,100 page puzzle book of a healthcare law but can’t understand the 78 pages criticizing it?

Maybe we need to enforce the ruling to understand it.


37 posted on 02/17/2011 7:46:33 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Nachum

The Judge specifically wrote in his decision that the ruling itself was injunctive. What part of stop don’t they understand?


38 posted on 02/17/2011 8:04:50 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ronnie raygun

In Colorado Bennet has parroted the Party LIE. And I sent my reply SO SAD that he -an elected Official has such contempt for the Federal Judiciary that he would ignore a finding that the law is “unconstitutional” How dare the Senate expect we honor them when disrespect a Federal Judge. And the Administration is worse— the Pretender took an Oath to defend the Constitution. Now he has the Black Panther DOJ writing Judge Vinson requesting he order the States to continue to implement the “unconstitutional” law.How can Holder or any in this Administration expect us to follow them in their CONTEMPT for the Constitution and our Laws.


39 posted on 02/18/2011 12:07:23 PM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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