Posted on 02/23/2011 9:26:01 AM PST by rellimpank
Such as legalized no holds barred prostitution. How about their stand on porn, homosexual agenda stuff and drugs? Yea or nay on those? They are 100% on board with all of the above.
Good post. I will stipulate that something like legalized brothels, legalized drugs, and such, are certainly not trouble-free. Legalization and regulation aren’t the be-all and end-all toward a more perfect union. There are problems that would come with them.
But I would also argue that prohibition of those things hasn’t been all that great either. Driving a market underground creates a host of new problems too.
Try this on for size: just as alcohol prohibition created Al Capone, the prohibition of drugs has created (or rather, funded) the gangs that now control and suck the life out of our inner cities. Without the insane volume of money that comes from the illicit sales of drugs, the gangs would evaporate. They’d have nothing to offer any young kid on the streets. But right now, they can offer that kid thousands of dollars a week in flashy cash.
Which is worse? A drug problem or a gang problem? I think reasonable people can agree at least that there is a useful discussion to be had about it. We’ve traded one problem for the other, and I’m not sure it was the right trade.
Who are you to give me a test?
I’m trying to have a reasonable, rational discussion about the topic at hand. Do you have anything to add besides name-calling?
The RATs homosexual agenda stand isn't a one-night stand, it's a forever stand.
To stop the homosexual agenda, 0h0m0llah has to be thrown out of office. That will stop the homosexual agenda dead.
0h0m0llah had the time to declare DOMA "unconstitutional" and stop defending the law passed by Congress.
The hypocrisy of the unconstitutional POTUS and the media enablers allows him to declare a law he doesn’t like unconstitutional! Can't get any better.
Agreed. But to turn it back around again... Who is the more likely to get support and help for, say, an alcohol problem: The woman working above-board at a legal brothel, or a woman whose pimp sells her on craigslist?
Don’t want to answer, then.
Okay.
“Who are you to give me a test?”
What childish deflection. My, my.
Such as legalized no holds barred prostitution. How about their stand on porn, homosexual agenda stuff and drugs? Yea or nay on those? They are 100% on board with all of the above.
I am not siding with Ramius here, but thinking point by point, what we are trying to solve with legalized prostitution, helps advance or develop the argument for our own personal understanding.
What problems is legalized prostitution supposed to be solving? What problems are going on with legalized prostitution?
My response, which I feel, call me vain, somewhat exemplary is the following points that:
1) Legalized prostitution’s own libertarian side is being violated.
2) Legalized prostitution is not comparable to liquor prohibition, at least in Nevada, where we are focused, because it is more about the libertarian ideals of taxed service that are being violated, and the resources are more spent in making sure the prostitutes stay in the legal whorehouses and off Vegas and Reno, rather than a total prohibition of the practice. This Black Market is about defying a libertarian notion, and it indicates more or less a departure from the libertarian ideals. Sure, in a perfect world, people would spontaneously turn legit and readily, but this doesn’t happen in Vegas, which is a cespool of illegal and underground prostitution and human trafficking, despite the legal option being existent outside of the major cities.
3) The fact that many legitimate whorehouses serve as a cover for other illicit operations, such as drug and human trafficking, not to mention both the Netherlands and Germany, with nationally legal prostitution, still are in the red by international reports for child sex crimes and human trafficking.
www.unodc.org/.../human-trafficking/Trafficking_in_Persons_in_Europe_09.pdf
4) If people aren’t willing to operate within the legal bounds already, why grant more or less restrictions. I am an admitted believer in “tough daddy” thinking, as an example, my own father basically had it set that if I could live up to more strict rules, then I had earned more trust. If I didn’t take care of my bike, for instance, I shouldn’t be allowed to get to learn how to drive the car. If working with legal supply and demand, I just feel that if people are so willing to circumvent the limited freedom already given to them with prostitution, we really don’t need to give them more than they already have. I would also say that I would not want to even see a legal brothel right next door to my house, or right smack-dab in the middle of my town, neither would I personally go down without first doing everything possible to convince and persuade my own children to never get into being prostitutes themselves.
5) Enforcing tax revenues is not free, and the problem with prostitution is that, resources in Nevada are being spent on busting underground prostitution which dodges tax payments and the like.
6) Organized crime, contrary to argument, did not die with prohibition, in fact, organized crime is a complex global problem, which probably won’t be solved in the religious sense until Jesus comes again and cleanses the Earth, or in the temporal sense until we have clamped the hand down on every last bastion of human civilization such that every nation is properly both free, stable, and has a populace which largely believes and follows the laws. I would go with the former possibility right now given the global situation.
Very interesting points and I don’t have the time right now to do them justice. I’ll get back to the thread later. Very thoughtful, thank you.
Yeah, and Harry Reid should be the first to give it up!
Harry did ya go down on “the strip” and say this? I didn’t think so.
So Harry Reid wantsa to outlaw prostitution ???
Well what does that mean ???
Dont ya wish the mormnons would make up their minds ???
Harry is a mormon and to a mormon, prostitution is one man, one woman...
Flame away I just report what I read...
Briggie Young, the theocratic dictator/prophet of the mormons said it..
He said one wife is prostitution...
Many wives is mormon Nivarna...
The way to godship...
To be blunt, Reid is one of the biggest political whores in Washington. I wonder how much he does for the LDS, i.e. special land deals, corporate tax brakes, laws...
Can imagine harry at his next temple recommend interview ???
Interviewer: Harry Reid do you sustain the prophets ???
(This means believe and support and agree with everything Briggie Young had to say about anything...including “Monogamy is prostitution”)
Harry Reid: (Because as a good mormon he believes in lying for da mormon lord) Yes
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