Governor Walker Responds to Prank Call (Did Ian Murphy break the law?)

Todays TMJ4 ^ | 2/23/11

[DJ MacWoW]

I realize that you're fairly new to FR but you need to learn the difference between exposing liars like Acorn and PP and someone impersonating a known person in order to play "Gotcha!". And there is a BIG difference.

Your first statement I did not say it was the same. does not match the last but turnabout is fair play, right? It isn't the same yet you ARE stating they are.

[bvw]

Would not David Koch also have a claim as a civil tort?

[Libloather]

Would not David Koch also have a claim as a civil tort?

I'm thinking YES! I'm calling the NY fraud helpline tomorrow just to see if they enforce the law. 1-800-771-7755.

[in the wind]

Yes I am new to FR and am not yet sure if I am conservative enough for FR. Maybe I am not presenting myself clearly enough. If we lie, O’Keefe, to expose liberals, how is that any different than if they, Murphy, lies to expose us? Yes, I understand that Murphy most likely committed a crime by saying he was David Koch, but that is not the point I am making here. How can we take offense, to what Murphy did, when we engage in the same behavior?

[DJ MacWoW]

If we lie, O’Keefe, to expose liberals, how is that any different than if they, Murphy, lies to expose us?

What O'Keefe did was an expose. He did NOT use a known person's name.

The blogger however DID impersonate a known person in order to gain entry. Impersonation is a no-no. There is a difference in pretending to be a pimp and pretending to be Mr Koch. One is illegal for obvious reasons and one is not. It's too bad that you can't see that.

Fake Phone Calls: News or Not? (Society of Professional Journalists criticizes prank)

[in the wind]

So O’Keefe’s lie is acceptable because he is for our side? He did commit a crime in the NO incident, correct? The NO fiasco was patterned after the Acorn operation. In one instance he lied to gain access and didn’t commit a crime and that’s OK. Then in the second he lied and did commit a crime and that is still OK?
I guess we will have to disagree on this issue. I do not see lying to further ones ideology as acceptable behavior, for either side. Maybe I was just raised differently.

[liberalh8ter]

I'm not sure that impersonating the person on the phone would be illegal per se, but I think the recording of it would be (without announcing you're on a recorded line). If it's not, I hope someone who does a good Soros impression calls Obama with the tape recorder rolling ;-P

[DJ MacWoW]

So O’Keefe’s lie is acceptable because he is for our side?

You truly DON'T get it, do you.

He did commit a crime in the NO incident, correct?

Was he prosecuted? No. All charges were dropped because it was bogus.

Has the blogger that impersonated Mr Koch been charged even though what he did is really illegal? No.

You may be correct that you don't belong on FR. You don't seem to understand the difference between a "sting" /expose and illegally impersonating a named person.

[DJ MacWoW]

Impersonation of a living person is illegal. And since it was across state lines that makes it federal. The law has been posted on several threads.

[in the wind]

Your right I may ‘fit’ well with FR. Time will tell on that.
Sadly I do “get it”. You’re willing to accept O’Keefe’s actions as just and not Murphy’s. You’re comparing apples and oranges to justify your position, “the difference between a “sting” /expose and illegally impersonating a named person”. Both parties lied to accomplish their respective goals. Does the fact that one committed a crime, and the other did not, change the fact that both lied to accomplish their goals? For you it seems to.

[DJ MacWoW]

Sadly I do “get it”.

Sadly, you don't.

O'Keefe didn't break the law. The leftist blogger did.

FR EXCLUSIVE: Investigation of phone prankster Ian Murphy should be well underway!

You’re comparing apples and oranges to justify your position,

No. YOU are comparing legal and illegal. I think you're trolling.

Both parties lied to accomplish their respective goals.

One broke the law and the other didn't. O'Keefe did EXACTLY what every news team on the planet has done.

Does the fact that one committed a crime, and the other did not, change the fact that both lied to accomplish their goals? For you it seems to.

Only a liberal would see it your way. Cops and newsies have done for decades what O'Keefe did. And even the newsies cried foul on the blogger.

I'll say it again, I think you're a lefty trolling FR. ESPECIALLY after looking at your posting history.

You have a nice day!

[in the wind]

Yes, I know that I am not as conservative as most who post here and FR may not be the place for me to interact on the net. But I will not know for sure unless I try. You’re arguing legal and I’m arguing moral, so we’re simply talking past each other on different aspects. The nuns of my youth did not differentiate between lies. It either is one or it isn’t one. Maybe that is too black and white for politics.

You have a nice day, too!

[Joe 6-pack]

"The nuns of my youth did not differentiate between lies. It either is one or it isn’t one. Maybe that is too black and white for politics."

You are secreting a Jewish family in your attic in WWII Holland. The Nazis come to your door and ask if you've seen any Jews in the area. You would feel morally compelled to tell them the truth?