She and Cloward are two people who believe in fomenting human misery to attempt to obtain their utopia.
Stunning she portrays herself as this frail, harmless old lady. What she and Cloward proposed is lighting everything on fire to get everything to a nice fertile environment for their utopian tyranny.
Harmless indeed.
She and Cloward seem to have made some pretty wide swings at the same goal. At one point they wanted to prevent people from getting welfare as a means of causing them to suffer and they later wanted to collapse the system under the weight of welfare rolls.
They finally settled on wanting as many as possible on welfare and then yanking the rug out from under them as a means of enraging them.