Posted on 02/28/2011 4:42:14 AM PST by PapaBear3625
You make a fair point.
I took his post as pointing out that this is what the cops and firefighters see all day long. Many of them know nothing of politics or how it came about that the lowlifes are getting the freebies in the first place. For those of them who do know, I agree with you. I can tell you for a fact that cops do not see themselves as feeding from the same trough as the lowlifes feed from. They don’t view welfare and housing entitlements as the same pool of money from which they’re paid, even though it is to the extent that public safety costs are paid from the public trough just as entitlements are. But they don’t see that at all.
They would need several thousand, like 5,000 or more, to make the needed showing.
I presume Schultz is one. Who are the other two?
I think a lot of the welfare stuff is fed-mandated because they partially fund it.
Sadly this is a reason why Police officers and firefighters must be NEVER be unionized.
Like the Military Army the police are a regimented(in a similar way) army of their own.
Indeed if one was so inclined one could seek to abolish the State police force by declaring it to be a professional standing army forbidden to the States in time of peace under the Constitution of 1787.
The point is this army now has a divide loyalty between to unions, the original union of the State among the whole of the people, and the New artificial union among themselves for the propose of their own financial well-being.
(never mind the warring against the same by the founders.)
Here in the PA suburbs we mostly have volunteer fire depts. There may be one or two paid full-timers in each firehouse, but the bulk are part-timers who work a regular job. I work next to one of the volunteers, and the company is understanding when he's late because he was at a fire overnight.
I would think that being a firefighter to be a young man's game, where a college student could be at the firehouse on those days when he doesn't have classes, and do his homework between fire calls. When he graduates, he would move on and let some other college student take his slot.
The police ARE the standing army whose existence worried the Founders. The purpose of the standing army was to enforce the will of the rulers upon the populace.
Gov Walker needs to drive home to these guys, until they finally get it, that if costs are not contained then in a few years there will not be any money to pay their pensions and benefits, and that they're dreaming if they think the federal government will have the money either.
The unionistas will scream at the mere suggestion at first, but keep repeating it every day and it might finally sink in.
You have read my post upside down totally wrong.
SE mom said "you can understand cops' frustration since they deal with low life thugs all day."
So I ask why in the world cops would want to march with and support the low life thug union protesters!!!
Does that make sense to you?
If they are frustrated with low life thugs, then they should not be so sympathetic to these protesters (and turn a blind eye to union assaults as we've seen, etc).
Yes, firemen certainly do, and to a much lesser extent imo, cops do indeed work and "contribute" more than welfare queens of course. And they are both far superior (or should be) to these shakedown artists sleeping in the capitol.
To the extent that cops sympathize with these jerks, they are jerks!
LOL - what a comedy of errors.
Actually I wrote that, not SEMom. She was was quoting something I said. When something is in italics, usually at the beginning of a post, it means the writer is responding to an earlier post. That can cause some confusion.
Luther Olsen is one; I don’t know the other.
Madison Judge orders Capitol be reopened for protestors
Madison Judge orders Capitol be reopened for protestors
How did we get to this point...
My in-laws are retired, living off his state pension, which is being curtailed (currently med benefits). His argument is, "I was promised this pension!" I told my wife, "the government makes all kinds of promises to all kinds of people. Welcome to the real world."
The problem here is that government workers are having to start dealing with the reality the rest of us in the private sector started dealing with several years ago, and they don't like it any more than we do.
On another note...my state, like most states, has specialty plates, one of them being a fireman's plate. It's easy to spot being red and orange with the silhouette of a fireman. It was designed to honor these brave men and women, which it does, but unintended consequences have set in: they're mainly on very expensive vehicles--your BMW's, your Uber SUV's, etc. Personally, if I were in a union making bank off an unemployed public I'd want to keep a low profile these days.
The same way most republics die: year after year of gradual, unchallenged encroachments.
It used to be that the way to make sure that the government could not infringe upon liberty was to make it UNABLE to infringe upon liberty by denying it the means to infringe, namely hordes of armed, paid agents.
Good point, though not one that would be considered by our entrenched firefighters here. That is one of the reasons NJ people are fleeing to PA; the cost of living here is crushing. Every family unit is expected to pony up for one school teacher, one emergency responder, two illegal aliens, and one member of our permanent underclass. It was difficult enough before we started facing Asian-scale wages; now it is all but impossible. Many of the companies and lucrative jobs have left the state.
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