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PROOF: Liberals are Full of It-Low-Flow Toilets Cause Environmental Problem
San Fransisco Chronicle ^ | 28-FEB-2011 | Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross

Posted on 02/28/2011 9:58:04 AM PST by The Antiyuppie

Link to article. San Fransisco's sewer system having trouble with less water throughput; harmful chemicals used to "solve" the problem:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/02/28/BAVP1HUSUD.DTL&tsp=1

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: california; environment; green; previouslyposted; sanfransisco; searchisyourfriend

1 posted on 02/28/2011 9:58:10 AM PST by The Antiyuppie
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To: The Antiyuppie
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2 posted on 02/28/2011 10:02:03 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Stupid libtards, instead of just flushing 1.6 gals. of water per use, I now have to flush 2.0 gals. of water per use because the toilet will clog if I don’t flush in “stages”.

What a PITA.

I’ve looked at those toilets that “claim” they won’t clog, but I’m not willing to drop $300+ and the labor to find out if the “claims” are true.


3 posted on 02/28/2011 10:02:32 AM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

30 years ago a sewage treatment expert clearly stated:

It takes a certain amount of water to get the “goldfish” to the pond, and you can’t make it up with a little preasure at the front end.


4 posted on 02/28/2011 10:03:07 AM PST by G Larry
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To: The Antiyuppie

I’m surprised they are using clorine to eliminate the smell since years ago they wanted to BAN chlorine.


5 posted on 02/28/2011 10:03:51 AM PST by Conan the Conservative (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the hippies.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Anything that Libtards touch creates a cascading train of “unintented consequences” that any other layman could easily fortell...


6 posted on 02/28/2011 10:05:11 AM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: The Antiyuppie

This makes complete and total sense to the most rational and intelligent mind.

If cutting the water available to the bare minimum, to move the waste from the bowl to the septic line - what happens if there isn’t enough in the line to make the waste flow?

Aren’t you saving pennies at the household level, only to spend thousands of dollars at the municipal level?

Libtards, presenting unproven solutions to questions no one has asked.


7 posted on 02/28/2011 10:05:38 AM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: The Antiyuppie

The left-wing greenies seem to be establishing a long track record of supporting causes that are bad for both mankind and the earth. From the banning of DDT causing the death of millions of babies to the Shuttle disaster caused by inferior greenie solutions to the increase in mining to support greenie cars that destroy thousands of acres to light bulbs with hazardous mercury in them piling up in landfills , the list goes on and on.

It is time to start confronting these greenie leftists with the question:

Why do greenies hate mankind and hate the earth?


8 posted on 02/28/2011 10:07:48 AM PST by TheBigIf
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To: SZonian

“Stupid libtards, instead of just flushing 1.6 gals. of water per use, I now have to flush 2.0 gals. of water per use because the toilet will clog if I don’t flush in “stages”.

At work they installed some “waterless” urinals to save water. They were OK for maybe a year but now the men’s room constantly smells like urine.


9 posted on 02/28/2011 10:07:57 AM PST by Conan the Conservative (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the hippies.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Considering the gay population in SF, the diameter of the turds also plays a role.


10 posted on 02/28/2011 10:08:53 AM PST by Mich Patriot (...politics is the second oldest profession...it bears a striking resemblance to the first." RReagan)
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To: The Antiyuppie

I have no problem with “selective fire” toilets that allow a 1 gallon flush or a full 1.6 gallon flush.

But these “restricted magazine” are full of crap - literally!


11 posted on 02/28/2011 10:09:08 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: G Larry

That’s the most eloquent way of phrasing this that I have heard.


12 posted on 02/28/2011 10:12:29 AM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Conan the Conservative

LOL! You’re right! They did that at my previous work location to “Go Green”.

Man, those things are awful!

They require a lot of “maintenance” to keep them from smelling like a port-a-potty.


13 posted on 02/28/2011 10:15:02 AM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Second flush.

14 posted on 02/28/2011 10:17:03 AM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: The Antiyuppie

I just got another email at work about being green from Management. I cannot stand these warped morons who have no idea about anything but the Marxism they are espousing via Envioronmentalism.


15 posted on 02/28/2011 10:24:09 AM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: SZonian

We have a septic system and when we flush we have to fill a plastic coffee jug with water and pour it in as we flush or it will clog. PITA is right. We dread friends using the bathroom. You gonna ask them to flush a jug of water too?


16 posted on 02/28/2011 10:25:16 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: The Antiyuppie; All
"$14 million, three-year supply of highly concentrated sodium hypochlorite - better known as bleach Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/02/27/BAVP1HUSUD.DTL#ixzz1FHK4ZOSo"

How brilliant. Use MORE bleach, which kills the natural enzymatic action to break down sludge, in order to - oh yeah, brilliant.

And would YOU drink their recycled water?

If you drink bottled water whose 'source' is not "SPRING WATER" - you likely are.

The expensive, fancy label waters are TAP WATER from the big cities like LA, Denver, Jacksonville....

Bottled water - a scam equal to gloBull warming.

17 posted on 02/28/2011 10:26:39 AM PST by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: The Antiyuppie
Low-Flow Toilets Cause Environmental Problem

Yeah, especially in people's bathrooms.
Around here we solve the problem by flushing the toilet three times.

18 posted on 02/28/2011 10:45:16 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: The Antiyuppie

19 posted on 02/28/2011 10:46:32 AM PST by unique
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To: DJ MacWoW

I hear ya!

I can imagine trying to come up with a “flushing procedure” for the guests.

It’s awkward to say the least.


20 posted on 02/28/2011 10:47:41 AM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: The Antiyuppie
These stupid liberal always start out with a false assumption. In this case, they assume that because you use water it disappears from the face of the earth and can never be used again. My flushing a toilet in no way reduces the available molecules of H2O on earth.

The earth is actually quite good at cleaning up water and with a little help from treatment plants it cleans up even better.

It boggles the mind that the liberal mind thinks that using less water is a solution to anything. Then, I wonder about the intelligence of legislature that vote for this and executives that sign such laws. IQ test for public office please.

21 posted on 02/28/2011 10:53:52 AM PST by w1andsodidwe (How can you tell when the President is lying? When his lips move, of course.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

I solve the problem with low-flow-toilets by flushing about 4 times each time.


22 posted on 02/28/2011 11:00:19 AM PST by marron
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To: SZonian
When there's not enough water the toilet paper catches on part of the septic before it hits the tank. So everytime it clogs we have to dig it up. You just sigh when trying to decide to tell guests to either flush with extra water or tell them "Don't flush the toilet!". LOL

We don't get many guests. ;-)

23 posted on 02/28/2011 11:07:14 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: The Antiyuppie

My new home came with Gore certified low-flow toilets. Any amount of toilet paper would require multiple flushes to get it down (thus saving water /sarc) and multiple times a year the toilets would back up forcing me to steam clean and mop large areas (thus saving water /sarc). I finally bit the bullet and replaced them with toilets that could flush a bucket of golf balls and all my problems went away.

All Gore approved lights, toilets, and electrical cars will be the same. Unintended consequences of “do-gooder” technology that does not work and does not save anything when you look at the entire life time of the product. Just another scam to make a few con artists like Gore a boatload of money.


24 posted on 02/28/2011 11:08:05 AM PST by Gen-X-Dad
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To: The Antiyuppie

As a plumber I’ve had more problems with low flow toilets and long runs of 4” drain lines. There is simply not enough water per flush to clear out the main line of solids. The blockage then builds with every subsequent flush.

I’ve reconfigured many drain lines to prevent blockages. I simply tell the homeowner to thank the government for the added expense.

Now to add insult to injury, the newer toilets use even less water than the “older” low flows. (1.28 GPF)

The toilets also do not have enough water surface area in the bowl to begin with. This results in increased cleaning. I won’t get any more graphic than that.


25 posted on 02/28/2011 11:10:45 AM PST by headstamp 2 ("My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter")
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To: SZonian
I’ve looked at those toilets that “claim” they won’t clog, but I’m not willing to drop $300+ and the labor to find out if the “claims” are true.

Go to a good plumbing supply house, and check out some of the newer toilets. They have amazing "power."

I used to have a 2 gallon toilet, and it worked just fine. But I needed an ADA toilet to replace my old one, and got a Toto. The rep I spoke to asked me how many potatoes I needed to flush at a time! I'm pretty sure that mine will do at least 3 at a time! Big Idaho bakers!

Mark

26 posted on 02/28/2011 11:38:22 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Another example of green solutions having more environmental consequences that the “problem” they hope to fix. I still can’t understand why filling our homes with mercury containing CFLs that require hazardous material disposal and inevitably will put more highly toxic mercury into the environment is better than using incandescent light bulbs.


27 posted on 02/28/2011 11:41:56 AM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: BerryDingle
I think he's saying that the last visit took five flushes.

And, is proud of it!

28 posted on 02/28/2011 12:00:14 PM PST by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Photo caption - “Our union members stand together cheek-to-cheek in San Francisco.” I’m afraid to see the potties in the womens room.


29 posted on 02/28/2011 12:01:05 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer.")
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To: headstamp 2

I have a newer toilet that flushes a maximum of 1.6 gal. but, given its druthers, will go with a lot less and a miniscule water spot. Unfortunately, if I use it in the low flow configuration and do not hold the handle down to allow the water spot to fill, it rapidly ends stinking of stale urine. Its other “charming” feature in the small spot configuration is there’s a gyeser every time I flush it, really intersting if I’ve passed a musher or am flushing a dog accident down.


30 posted on 02/28/2011 12:15:32 PM PST by libstripper (uite eff)
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To: MarkL

I got a Kohler ADA john. Hardly any water in the flush, but it’s true it needs cleaning more often.

I need another one.


31 posted on 02/28/2011 12:39:48 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (You CAN get blood from a stone, if you throw it hard enough.)
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To: Gen-X-Dad
I finally bit the bullet and replaced them with toilets that could flush a bucket of golf balls and all my problems went away.

What's the name of the toilet? I think I have have the exact same problem.

32 posted on 02/28/2011 1:21:16 PM PST by secretagent
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To: headstamp 2
I’ve reconfigured many drain lines to prevent blockages.

What does that require? How do you know when to reconfigure, and when to just get a better toilet?

33 posted on 02/28/2011 1:24:10 PM PST by secretagent
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To: MarkL

“But I needed an ADA toilet to replace my old one, and got a Toto.”

Which one?

http://www.totousa.com/Products/Toilets.aspx


34 posted on 02/28/2011 1:50:31 PM PST by secretagent
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Re: Toto Toilets

Which one?

I wish I could remember. I ordered it and was having it installed, but then I wound up in the hospital for 2 months, and eventually had to sell the house because I can't handle the stairs.

Be aware that although you can get discounts, Toto toilets are pretty darned expensive.

Mark

35 posted on 02/28/2011 3:25:04 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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Sure, blame it on the toilets.

It's probably all the veggies, tofu, and organics that they eat in San Francisco. < /sarc>

-PJ

36 posted on 02/28/2011 4:07:47 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (In a democracy, you negotiate from the floor of the legislature, not from hideouts and bullhorns.)
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I am sure a Toto toilet is one which will flush Dorothy’s little dog......tornadic flushing action


37 posted on 02/28/2011 4:29:36 PM PST by Michigan Bowhunter
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To: secretagent

“What does that require? How do you know when to reconfigure, and when to just get a better toilet? “

I’ll usually reconfigure when I have a long horizontal run of 4” cast iron especially that is constantly backing up with a low flow toilet. On one such job I cut out the cast iron in a crawlspace and replaced it with 4” ABS and shortened up the run by using 45 and 22 degree fittings instead of right angle sweeps that were on the cast iron. This kept the drainage velocity up. I also pitched it more than the usual 1/4” per foot of run. This alleviated the problem. You are talking about major work though.

Other times I’ve actually reduced the diameter of the drainage to 3” for faster flow though this can be tricky.

Not sure what you mean by a “better” toilet. A 1.6 gallon flush is a 1.6 gallon flush as far as water volume being flushed down the piping goes. This is a problem that occurs in the actual drain piping not the toilet itself. Some people I will just recommend a double flush with solids no matter what. The toilet is functioning fine but the second flush clears the waste from the drainage piping downstream of the toilet.

Vertical runs of pipe usually are not an issue with these toilets unless that vertical run turns into a long horizontal run in the basement that gives the waste a chance to slow down and then start backing up.

I would be willing to bet most problems with these toilets would be alleviated if they didn’t go below 2 to 2.5 gallons a flush and left it at that. The new 1.28 GPF toilets will just make this problem worse.


38 posted on 02/28/2011 9:29:24 PM PST by headstamp 2
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To: Political Junkie Too

“It’s probably all the veggies, tofu, and organics that they eat in San Francisco.”

You will laugh but experience proves it out. Vegetarians on average need a septic tank pump every two years. All others usually go 5 years or more.

The organic plant matter does not break down and therefore fills the tank much faster.

I had a guy from the “Honey-Dippers” look in the tank and tell me that the customer was a vegetarian. And he was absolutely right. That man knew his business. LOL

Sorry, a little plumber humor.


39 posted on 02/28/2011 9:37:46 PM PST by headstamp 2
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To: MarkL

Thanks for the info Mark, I’ll look into it.


40 posted on 03/01/2011 9:09:25 AM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: secretagent

American Standard Champion 4 White Elongated Toilet

In stock at Lowes. They also have a smaller footprint one if this one is to big for your area. I fit mine into a half bath with no problem. After one-year of no hassles I have decided to boot the last Gore toilet out the door and get another one of these this spring.


41 posted on 03/03/2011 1:39:16 PM PST by Gen-X-Dad
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