Skip to comments.Government Unions 101: What Public-Sector Unions Won't Tell You
Posted on 03/01/2011 2:30:03 PM PST by Nachum
What Is Government Collective Bargaining?
* Legal Monopoly: Government collective bargaining gives unions a monopoly on the governments workforce. The government must employ workers on the terms the union negotiates. It may not hire competing workers. * Private vs. Public-Sector: Unions operate differently in government than in the private sector. Private-sector unions bargain over limited profits. Competition from other businesses moderates wage demands. Governments earn no profits and have no competition. Government unions negotiate for more tax dollars. * Risking Public Services: When government unions strike, they can deprive citizens of essential servicessuch as education for childrenuntil demands are met.
History of Government Collective Bargaining
* Unions Once Rejected: Early labor leaders didnt believe unions belonged in government. In 1955, George Meany, then-president of the AFL-CIO, said: It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government. In 1959 the AFL-CIO Executive Council declared, In terms of accepted collective bargaining procedures, government workers have no right beyond the authority to petition Congressa right available to every citizen. * FDR: President Franklin Delano Roosevelt (D) gave unions extensive powers to bargain collectively in the private sector but excluded them from government. FDR believed collective bargaining had no place in public service and that a government strike was unthinkable and intolerable.
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yes— I am stalking you...
look at Sandy Springs, GA-— I am about 15 miles from there...
They have privatized a lot of their public work....Stossel featured them on one of his shows....
Do you know if the steps being taken in WI are the same as what is happening in Ohio?
Maybe some Ohio FReepers?
I think the kids need a break every now and then Away From The Public Schools. So do the kids.
As a practical matter teacher strikes are always of limited duration ~ after all, the teachers gots ta' eat!
Heritage needs to come up with a new writer or something.
They also need a better historian. If all you do is stick to the written word way back in the thirties you miss the time FDR told the existing federal unions (mostly Postal unions) that if they'd eliminate the Communist party commie union organizers, he'd recognize their right to exist and meet on government property.
They did and he did.
Ignoring that history is, to me, all the evidence I need to know that Heritage Institute has been infiltrated by Commie rats.
TEACHERS AND OTHER PUBLIC EMPLOYEE UNION WORKERS IN WISCONSIN
ATTACHED: This is the official excel DPI database of teachers wages by school district. Look up your own district if you live in Wisconsin or compare these figures to public and private average salaries in your State. !!!
The current budget repair bill would have them paying about 5.8% towards their own retirement....right now, we the taxpayer, pay 100% of their generous retirement, and most of us pay 100% of our own retirement too.
AVERAGE WAGE AND BENEFITS (remember this is for about 9 months of work)
Hartland Arrwhd $90,285 (highest teacher was $122,952-lowest was $64,942)
Men Falls $81,099
West Bend $82,153
Kettle Mor $87,676
Arrowhead - Bus Mgr - Kopecky - $169,525
Arrowhead - Principal - Wieczorek - $152,519
Grmtwn - Asst Princ - Dave Towers - $123,222
Elmbrk - Burliegh Elemetary - Principal Zahn- $142,315 (for a primary school!!)
Madison - Asst Principal - McGrath - $127,835
UNIVERSITY of WISCONSIN STAFF (2009) (salary alone):
Michael Knetter - Prof of Bus - $327,828
Carolyn Martin -Chancellor Madison- $437,000
Hector Deluca - Prof of Nutritional Science - $254,877 (really??)
(source:Madison.com -as the UW removed salaries from being posted online in 2007- why, if they are so low?)
How about some other “public servant job” ??? What do they make?
Madison Garbage men (2009) (salary only):
Garbageman, Mr. Nelson earned $159,258 in 2009, including $109,892 in overtime and other pay. Garbageman, Greg Tatman, who earned $125,598 7 Madison garbage men made over $100,000
30 Madison garbage men made over $70,000.
MILWAUKEE CITY BUS DRIVERS (salary only):
136 Drivers made more than $70,000
54 Drivers made more than $80,000
18 Drivers made more than $90,000
8 Drivers made more than $100,000
Top Driver made $117,000
(The average private bus driver makes $9-13 an hour (about$ 20,000 yr) with no pension, or healthcare.)
AND TAXPAYERS ARE SUPPOSED TO CONTINUE PAYING 100% OF THEIR GENEROUS RETIREMENT ? THEY HAVE SHUT DOWN SCHOOLS AS THEY DON’T WANT TO PAY 5.8% OF IT THEMSELVES .....REALLY?
>>If all you do is stick to the written word way back in the thirties you miss the time FDR told the existing federal unions (mostly Postal unions) that if they’d eliminate the Communist party commie union organizers, he’d recognize their right to exist and meet on government property.<<
Could you give us a citation on that? It’s not that I don’t believe you but the FDR “fact” is used all the time. It always looks strange to me.
Wallstreet Journal * FEBRUARY 26, 2011
Wisconsin’s Newest Progressive
The Republican governor wants a new social contract.
By JOHN FUND
“I very much want to avoid laying people off,” Mr. Walker says. But his experience as county executive taught him that “not everyone feels that way. During budget crises I would push for a couple of weeks where workers would only put in 35 hours so we didn’t have to cut jobs, but union leaders would say no. It’s reactionary.” He says there’s a gulf between the interests of union leaders and those of their members. “When they say it’s about worker rights, it’s really about big union bosses running their own political dynasties.” That’s why the parts of his plan that most stick in the craw of union leaders are the ones that would limit their power.
Mr. Walker says that the employee rights that people care about are protected by civil-service rules, not collective bargaining. “We have the strongest protections in the country on grievance procedures, merit hiring, and just cause for disciplining and terminating employees,” he says. “None of that changes under my plan.” Mr. Walker notes that the single largest group affected by his proposal are the 30,000 workers at the University of Wisconsin who were only granted collective-bargaining rights in 2009. “If they only got them two years ago, how can you say they’re set in stone?”
Thanks for posting
Huh? Do we need a secret decoder ring to go to the link?
Yes. Here it is: