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The Four Golden Rules of Firearms Safety
AC ^ | Feb 11, 2010 | Dan S. Defense

Posted on 03/02/2011 9:21:03 AM PST by ArrogantBustard

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To: UriĀ’el-2012

I don’t care what your credentials are, I will always treat all guns as if they are loaded all the time.

And mine are loaded all the time except during storage, cleaning, or when being reloaded.

There is nothing wrong with Rule #1.

ADs happen when people violate Rule #1.


101 posted on 03/02/2011 7:12:46 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: archy

Good stuff.


102 posted on 03/02/2011 7:14:42 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: CodeToad
There are only three rules: Shoot, Shovel, Shut Up.

A friend will help you move.

A true friend will help you move the body.

103 posted on 03/02/2011 7:17:20 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Eagle Eye
I don’t care what your credentials are, I will always treat all guns as if they are loaded all the time.

I do as well.

But I always point it in a safe direction
and keep my finger off the trigger.

Then drop the magazine

Then I expect the chamber.

This for a Pistol.


104 posted on 03/02/2011 7:18:35 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Eagle Eye
ADs happen when people violate Rule #1.

All NDs occur when the operator puts
their finger on the trigger.

105 posted on 03/02/2011 7:21:33 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
This for a Pistol.

I would say "duh" but I also follow the same protocols with certain rifles as well.

If one follows Cooper's rules, one will be safe.

If not, the safety is not possible.

106 posted on 03/02/2011 7:23:46 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Eagle Eye
If one follows Cooper's rules, one will be safe.

If not, the safety is not possible.

Sorry; I think your religion is in error.

107 posted on 03/02/2011 7:29:13 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
3. Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.

AD/ND avoidance.

Sorry that you don't like Cooper. I don't care. The rules make sense.

Funny thing is that you follow them, too.

108 posted on 03/02/2011 7:34:33 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Eagle Eye
AD/ND avoidance.

There is no such thing as an accidental discharge.

A negligent discharge is caused by either ignorance or carelessness.

The person can be considered ignorant, if they have not been trained.

They are careless, if they disregard their training.

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

NRA T/C CRSO

109 posted on 03/02/2011 7:39:28 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
If you follow these rules—at all times—you will be safe and so will the people around you.

Not true. Others have to follow the rules for you to be safe.

110 posted on 03/02/2011 7:40:03 PM PST by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: xsrdx

The NRA rule # 3 seems to directly contradict rule #1 from the article.


111 posted on 03/02/2011 7:48:48 PM PST by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: Squantos

T...M...I...8^}


112 posted on 03/02/2011 8:45:01 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Joe Brower

First things I was taught! And to empty the clip/chambers into the prep. Ex LEOS taught my gun safety class.


113 posted on 03/03/2011 5:51:55 AM PST by GailA (2012 rally cry DEMOCRATS and RINOS are BAD for the USA!)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Your replies might make convincing arguments to your buddies in high school, but this crowd has more reasoning skill.


114 posted on 03/03/2011 7:18:14 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: thackney
Your replies might make convincing arguments to your buddies in high school, but this crowd has more reasoning skill.

I was using guns before your father was born; boy!

115 posted on 03/03/2011 7:34:26 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

To bad you didn’t pick any skills for communicating along the way.


116 posted on 03/03/2011 7:36:15 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
I was using guns before your father was born; boy!

Proof that wisdom doesn't automatically come with age.

117 posted on 03/03/2011 7:44:56 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: thackney
To bad you didn’t pick any skills for communicating along the way.

I got your attention; Boy !

I have been using and handling firearms
for over sixty-five years.

You seem to have no respect for your elders.


118 posted on 03/03/2011 7:45:04 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

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119 posted on 03/03/2011 7:46:28 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

For an claimed instructor, you seem to have a strange avoidance in communicating information to a group of people desiring to be informed.

You are old. I got that.

Did you pick up any useful communicating skills along the way besides insults?


120 posted on 03/03/2011 7:51:38 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
I was using guns before your father was born; boy!

I have been using and handling firearms for over sixty-five years.

You fall short on your first claim to me. Do you want to take a stab at supporting your NRA claims?

121 posted on 03/03/2011 7:53:48 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: thackney
Did you pick up any useful communicating skills along the way besides insults?

When you are dealing with the uneducable,
one needs to communicate that fact

122 posted on 03/03/2011 8:04:14 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: thackney
Do you want to take a stab at supporting your NRA claims?

Are so lazy that you can not
look it up yourself, if you disbelieve it.

You seem to be uneducable.

I seem to waste my time with the willingly ignorant.


123 posted on 03/03/2011 8:08:39 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
I get it. You're a blowhard that likes to make stuff up.

That doesn't mean your careless with firearms. But it means we shouldn't put too much belief in what you say.

Why don't you support this claim?

Many years ago the NRA used the Cooper rules;
His rules proved to be unsafe as NDs did not decrease,
the NRA training dept spent years developing safer rules.

You have several people interested, why won't you discuss it?

124 posted on 03/03/2011 8:09:42 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Do you believe it is the responsibility of everyone on Free Republic to disprove false claims made by people who won’t respond when challenged.

We have searched, it doesn’t exist.


125 posted on 03/03/2011 8:11:26 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: thackney
I get it. You're a blowhard that likes to make stuff up. That doesn't mean your careless with firearms. But it means we shouldn't put too much belief in what you say. Why don't you support this claim? Many years ago the NRA used the Cooper rules; His rules proved to be unsafe as NDs did not decrease, the NRA training dept spent years developing safer rules. You have several people interested, why won't you discuss it?

Call the NRA and ask some who was there
when the new rules were promulgated.

126 posted on 03/03/2011 8:16:03 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

some ==> someone


127 posted on 03/03/2011 8:17:15 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Eagle Eye
And mine are loaded all the time except during storage, cleaning, or when being reloaded.

That's exactly NRA #3.

ADs happen when people violate Rule #1.

ND/AD occurs when the operator violates NRA 2. Damage/injury results if the operator violates BOTH NRA 1 and 2. Merely assuming a gun is loaded means precisely nothing unless you act accordingly per NRA 1 and 2.

If you adhere to the NRA rules, the condition of the gun is irrelevant. If you adhere to Gunsite 1, you can neither clean nor work on your gun.

The Gunsite rules are well intentioned, but the NRA rules require less equivocation.

128 posted on 03/03/2011 8:22:43 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

What year do you claim the NRA switched from Cooper’s 4 to the current 3?


129 posted on 03/03/2011 8:35:52 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: Gilbo_3
whereas the nra version simply deems a violation to be an 'oopsie'...

How did you arrive at that conclusion? How does one ND without violating NRA 2? How does one do harm without violating both NRA 1 and 2?

There is NOTHING in the NRA rules that directs assuming a firearm is unloaded.

NRA 3 simply directs the operator to unload guns that don't need to be loaded, while NRA 1 and 2 ensure that, regardless of condition loaded/unloaded, the gun is handled in a safe manner.

Gunsite 1 adds nothing that the NRA rules don't address more effectively.

130 posted on 03/03/2011 8:44:45 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: thackney
What year do you claim the NRA switched from Cooper’s 4 to the current 3?

I have been teaching the three NRA rules for fifteen years.

I believe the switch occurred about twenty years ago.


131 posted on 03/03/2011 8:51:24 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: xsrdx; ArrogantBustard
you are simply arguing semantics...i'm simply stating that my interpretation of those 'words' will, for someone such as myself, and my adolescent son, allude to a 'less than' respect for the personal responsibility to treat ALL GUNS as LOADED...nra #3 doesnt provide for the ASSumption that all guns are hot [and to check em yerself] but rather for the determination that, since its not 'in use', it *should* be deemed, considered or whatever, UN-loaded...

to marginally trained, easily distracted people, THAT is a dangerous word game to play...

and so far, neither yourself, nor the blowhard hijacking this thread has demonstrated how one is in more danger by simply ASSuming and treating ALL guns as being loaded, and properly handling them as if they were, including muzzle control, target and backstop ID, and trigger discipline...

now i will await another empty answer of 'nra says so' to continue wasting bandwidth...

132 posted on 03/03/2011 9:12:55 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3

lol....


133 posted on 03/03/2011 9:19:44 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ( "Hokahey, today is a good day to die!" Crazy Horse, Lakota Sioux)
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To: thackney

lol...got a live one on the wire today!!!!


134 posted on 03/03/2011 9:24:04 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: UriĀ’el-2012; Eagle Eye
2012 You are wrong. Remington 700’s had AD’s for years. The only negligent party was Remington not the person handling the gun.
135 posted on 03/03/2011 9:26:11 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$
You are wrong. Remington 700’s had AD’s for years. The only negligent party was Remington not the person handling the gun.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I was led to believe
that is the left-wing media trashing the gun industry.

OBTW it would have been an ND not an AD.


136 posted on 03/03/2011 9:32:19 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Gilbo_3
"Proper handling" is NRA 1 and 2, regardless of condition.

Still not sure how you get "since its not 'in use', it *should* be deemed, considered or whatever, UN-loaded... from 3 - the only intent there is to ensure guns that aren't in use as *defined by the operator*, are unloaded. It doesn't relieve you from the obligation to observe 1 and 2.

The practical implementation of Gunsite 1 is observing NRA 1 and 2; "All guns are loaded/Every gun is a loaded gun" is obviously fiction and a distraction from the importance of proper handling.

"Treat every gun as a loaded gun" is fine, but adds nothing that NRA 1 and 2 don't already effectively address with less confusion.

137 posted on 03/03/2011 10:09:09 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: ArrogantBustard
CT Senate Bill 1094: "felonize" posession of 10+ round magazines

138 posted on 03/03/2011 10:37:55 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Thank you ... here we go again.

I notice from the link that the execrable Carolyn McCarthy has introduced a standard-capacity magazine ban in the US House.

139 posted on 03/03/2011 10:49:55 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Thank you ... here we go again.

I got your back when we are attacked.

140 posted on 03/03/2011 10:59:14 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: xsrdx
"Treat every gun as a loaded gun" is fine, but adds nothing that NRA 1 and 2 don't already effectively address with less confusion.

'treat every gun as a loaded gun' is essentially another version of 'all guns are always loaded'... less confusion is absurd...the ASSumption that all guns are always loaded DEMANDS that i verify for myself the condition of the weapon, whether you just 'checked' it and handed it to me, or whether i stowed it in the safe/cupboard/drawer yesterday...

by simply english semantics, 'unloaded when not in use' allows a casual mind to have irresponsible/lazy wiggle room for an ASSumption that "well, since its not in use, it could/should/must be un-loaded", and more possibility for bad results...

now IF you or yer nra endorsed brethren can demonstrably cite/source valid data that shows a statistical advantage to a passive wording when being instructed of handling of dangerous tools, Id love to see it...but i bet that the only *proof* lies in the nra says so...and that just aint good enuff for me...

at the end of the day, both packages of attitudes towards safe handling of firearms accomplish the same goals, for those who are responsible enuff to live by em...i just fail to see why anyone would militantly endorse a weaker wording that may just cost their kids his/her life...

141 posted on 03/03/2011 11:12:09 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: glock rocks; tubebender; SouthTexas; NormsRevenge; B4Ranch

Umm

here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yjLeew3S2U


142 posted on 03/03/2011 12:03:30 PM PST by Pete-R-Bilt (See Dick drink, See Dick drive, See Dick die... Don't be a Dick...)
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To: Pete-R-Bilt

I like bacon. Noah was the crow that ate the silicone sealant out of the window frames at work. He was ADD. About maybe 5% of the population are truly ADD. I was watching the starlings on the power wire today and most of them swooped to the lawn to eat seeds, but a few stayed on the line. I assumed that was the bird’s 5%. They are known as lunch if you’re a kestrel. There’s a strong correlation between the Meyer Briggs group INTP/ENTP with ADD. Don’t know if it’s causal, or even peer review studied. I’m ENTP, and love birds. And bacon.


143 posted on 03/03/2011 3:29:45 PM PST by glock rocks (I am Dyslexis of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.)
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To: xsrdx

It seems that Cooper assumed some basic common sense while the NRA dumbs it down for those without common sense.


144 posted on 03/03/2011 3:45:02 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Arrogance breeds idiocy.

Once upon a time I had a Taurus .22 LR pistol with a tip barrel that was a knockoff of a Berretta.

While at the range it began double firing.

Fortunately I was observing the rules, treating it as loaded, , pointing it only at the target, ensuring my target and behind.

The gun malfunctioned and fired twice per pull on the trigger.

Accidental, yes.

Negligent, no.


145 posted on 03/03/2011 3:53:08 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Arrogance breeds idiocy. Once upon a time I had a Taurus .22 LR pistol with a tip barrel that was a knockoff of a Berretta. While at the range it began double firing. Fortunately I was observing the rules, treating it as loaded, , pointing it only at the target, ensuring my target and behind. The gun malfunctioned and fired twice per pull on the trigger. Accidental, yes. Negligent, no.

I would hope you would observe NRA Rule one

Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

If the gun was defective,
the manufacturer is negligent not an accident.

The first thing I would look to would be
lack of cleaning by the operator


146 posted on 03/03/2011 4:11:06 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Eagle Eye

On the tv show Sons of Guns, the daddy test fired a Thompson they were rebuilding which continued full auto after he’d released the trigger. Not slam fire, malfunction. in my experience as an IDPA range officer, I’ve seen slam fires in mini 14’s and SKS’s. I’ve seen several FTF’s where the primer was dented. Cooper was sufficient in all these cases.

OTOH, observing a squib... and praying the shooter heard you shout STOP is a real wakeup.

Shoot fast. Shoot straight. Shoot safe.

Practice. Carry. Glock rocks.


147 posted on 03/03/2011 4:17:21 PM PST by glock rocks (I am Dyslexis of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.)
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To: glock rocks

btw that was sacrilege what they did to that Thompson


148 posted on 03/03/2011 4:45:34 PM PST by Pete-R-Bilt (See Dick drink, See Dick drive, See Dick die... Don't be a Dick...)
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To: Pete-R-Bilt

I know. Akin to refinishing a musket in flat black and a pic rail. Sick.


149 posted on 03/03/2011 5:05:31 PM PST by glock rocks (I am Dyslexis of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

You do jump to conclusions, don’t you?

Knowledge and wisdom are not synonymous.

Negligence has an actual definition and shouldn’t be bandied about carelessly.

Bottom line is that the NRA rules seem to be very well adapted for those unable to understand Cooper’s 4, and that is from your own admission.


150 posted on 03/03/2011 6:19:17 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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