Posted on 03/08/2011 11:47:32 AM PST by King_Corey
I built a sweet AR15 with 2 uppers,.223 and 7.62x39. I prefer the 7.62x39 which works well with C-Products magazines.
The 7.62 payed for itself in reduced ammo cost.
So other than the odd 500 yards shot, I would build the AR15 lower with multiple uppers for the same price as an AR 10 plus ammo.
All the cotton-pickin 7.62x39 I got, and now I gotta get 7.62 NATO. It would be nice if they made a weapon that shot both.
I didn’t mean it that way. Those companies make excellent firearms, and they each set up factories in the U.S. after winning DOD contracts.
I just think it’s sad that we need to look to Europe for modern firearm designs. It’s hard to imagine Germany, Belgium, Switzerland, or Italy relying today on U.S. companies to equip their military and police.
Well, he tried, but he didn't get 'em all.
I carried an M-14 for my tour 69-70.
Sometimes I regretted holding on to it, especially on some of those long humps with 20 loaded mags and a bandoleer on my skinny frame, not to mention all my other ash and trash.
And those were the days of C-rats, too. Them cans got heavy. I was probably humping 80 pounds, at any given time, on my skinny little 160 pound ass.
My battalion commander encouraged the continued use of the M-14 for several reasons.
First and the one that made the most sense to me was the fact that it and the M-60 MG used the same round.
Second, it was nearly indestructible in comparison with the POS first generation M-16's.
“There is a couple more but I keep drawing a blank. One of the Thompson contender rounds was a shorten 308, loaded with a 357 bullet wasn’t it.”
That would be the 30 and 357 Herrett rounds based on the 30/30 case. Usually chambered in the TC Contender.
A 35 on the 06 is the 35 Whelen and a 35 on the 308 case is the 358 Winchester. Both excellent rounds with the nod going to the 358 Win. in a TC Encore.
True, I have a 30-30 + barrel and most of the ordinal factory loads, but never had any of the wildcats.
When you start out with 2-3 M.O.A. of uncertainty and factor environment and skill in the equation, you have a 50/50 chance of hitting your 12 x 18 target at 600 yards. If only a portion of your target is available, your odds go down further.
Start with 1 M.O.A. and your odds improve. I was just making the observation that 2-3 M.O.A. is not at all impressive.
Thank you for your story and your service. From what I read, the worst sin was McNamara rushed the M-16 into production without and any cleaning kits. It is not a great gun when it gets a little dirty.
The M-14 was a lot to carry plus ammo and everything else.
“True, I have a 30-30 + barrel and most of the ordinal factory loads, but never had any of the wildcats.”
30/30 in the Contender is an excellent round IF you have it in the 14” tube. Early versions in the 10” tube were very inefficient.
Also the Ackley Improved version is good in the Contender and reduces bolt thrust considerably.
Man it is very updated FAL FN looking to me.
I am kind of hot fo the DSA Arms STG58
http://www.dsarms.com/FAL%20STG58%20Austrian/products/9/
Or the FAL SA58 which is more expensive.
http://www.dsarms.com/FAL-SA58%20Rifles/products/8/
The solution is to send those crappy old rifles to me ☺
I was puting together a collection, I have two frames and all of the factory octagon barrels. Have hunted deer with the 30/30, with a rest and scope it does well. Have no idea what they are worth today, but like to have never found the jet barrel.
Want to have fun?
1) Get yourself a 14” bbl in 44 Mag. with the TC muzzle tamer brake.
2) Have Bellm rechamber it to 444 Marlin. 6 screw mount with 4 rings on the scope.
3) Have a hoot at the range.
I have 2 of them. A 12 and 14. Deer don’t like them either. LOL
Another great cartridge is the 357 Maximum. Sweet in a 10” bbl(about 1950fps with a 180)or a 14”. Very easy to handload and excellent for deer sized game at woods ranges.
“Have hunted deer with the 30/30, with a rest and scope it does well.”
Try a 130 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip in that. Picks the velocity/efficiency up a bit in the 14” tube and the ballistic tip is an excellent terminal performance bullet at extended ranges.
Cheers
Thanks. Yeah, I think I’m going to go with the AR15 and put a 20 inch barrel on it that will handle .223 Rem and 5.56mm. I figure that will give me 600 yrds.
I was looking at ammo. Wow. .308 cost between $0.70 and $1.00 per round. Pretty hard to stock up on 10k rounds at that price.
Thanks for the pics!
“I think I’m going to go with the AR15 and put a 20 inch barrel on it that will handle .223 Rem and 5.56mm. I figure that will give me 600 yrds.”
I used a Yankee Hill Machine flat top upper and bought the barrel from Model 1, which uses E.R Shaw to produce all sorts of different configurations, .223 vs 5.56 Nato chambers, and a variety of twists, lengths and weights. I am very pleased and the price was good at that time, late November 2008, but things have gone up since, thanks to the best arms salesman ever.
I bought the rest from Brownells. I had the lower built for $200 so I have less then $500 in a very nice set up with a stainless fluted barrel, alum forearm and quad rail gas assembly. Be tough to do for less than $600 now.
http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=106
The two cartridges are interchangeable for all practical purposes.
Because they are still in great condition and they work and they don’t have to use taxpayer money, except for the mods, of course.
BTW, the M14 parts are far superior to the SA Inc. parts, the vast majority of M14 parts are made from forged steel.
Rebarrel them for .308 and they wouldn’t have to field anotehr cartridge. Besides the .308 has been proven to be about twice as accurate as the .30-06. But if you aren’t going into a village and will be out in the open, a semi-auto or full auto just allows you to miss faster.
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