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To: trisham

” Devil’s advocate? How many times have we seen this method used to advance an agenda?”

I don’t know what method to which you refer? I asked a question that nobody will answer directly.


163 posted on 03/12/2011 3:17:44 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer; wagglebee; BykrBayb; little jeremiah; DJ MacWoW
I don’t know what method to which you refer? I asked a question that nobody will answer directly.

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Devil's advocate

From Wikipedia:

In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position he or she does not necessarily agree with, just for the sake of argument. In taking such position, the individual taking on the devil's advocate role seeks to engage others in an argumentative discussion process. The purpose of such process is typically to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure, and to use such information to either improve or abandon the original, opposing position. It can also refer (less commonly) to someone who takes a stance that is seen as unpopular or unconventional, but is actually another way of arguing a more conventional stance.

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It's not uncommon for those who are antagonistic to assume the role of "Devil's Advocate". This allows them to appear to be merely interested in debate, while in fact they are attempting to advance their agenda. In this case, the pro-death agenda.

168 posted on 03/12/2011 3:29:09 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: RFEngineer; trisham; wagglebee; Lesforlife; BykrBayb; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Markos33
I don’t know what method to which you refer? I asked a question that nobody will answer directly.

No, you are not merely *asking a question*. You are trolling and everyone can see it despite your protestations.

Conservatives on FR have had plenty of experience dealing with trolls who push an agenda by simply *asking questions*. It's a common tactic.

Nor has anyone asked you to be our conscience, or to help us think through situations, or to answer to you, or any plethora of excuses people who set themselves up as some kind of moral guidepost or authority seem to think they're appointed to.

Questions like that are baiting, plain and simple, for the purpose of attempting to turn the debate around and attack the conservatives or get us at each other's throats. Or to set the stage for moral relativism.

It's just a red herring set up by someone to get the attention off themselves and their agenda.

Been there, seen that. Not buying it again.

169 posted on 03/12/2011 3:29:09 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RFEngineer
I'll answer with my thoughts, and probably get crap, as well.

I am a Christian. I believe God is still God. I do not think we should do things that keep people ARTIFICIALLY alive, and have a "living will" that agrees with that sentiment.I wonder at thoseon this board who so viciously attack those who disagree (and they do get VICIOUS!). They're reacting with emotion and intellect, not a belief in the supernatural power of His Spirit to provide life. It is a reflection of a profound lack of faith, in my mind. It especially makes little sense whether Charity is or is not an issue. In my Bible, Charity is another term for love. In Jesus name, anything can happen, but God must be allowed to do it HIS way!!!

Lazarus was DEAD when Jesus called him out of the TOMB! I see a bunch of people who love their loved ones (+ strangers who they think need those thoughts) and want to fight against the WILL OF GOD, and rely on medical science instead of faith! That is not a sign of faith in GOD, but in man (or woman, if the shoe fits).

Just my two pennies worth!

Luke 7:2-9 (New International Version, ©2011)

2 There a centurion’s servant, whom his master valued highly, was sick and about to die. 3 The centurion heard of Jesus and sent some elders of the Jews to him, asking him to come and heal his servant. 4 When they came to Jesus, they pleaded earnestly with him, “This man deserves to have you do this, 5 because he loves our nation and has built our synagogue.” 6 So Jesus went with them.

He was not far from the house when the centurion sent friends to say to him: “Lord, don’t trouble yourself, for I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. 7 That is why I did not even consider myself worthy to come to you. But say the word, and my servant will be healed. 8 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”

9 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed at him, and turning to the crowd following him, he said, “I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel. ...

178 posted on 03/12/2011 3:47:53 PM PST by WVKayaker ("When Sarah Palin speaks, people listen!" - EF Hutton)
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