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To: DoughtyOne
The problem with writing those types of comments, is that sooner or later the reader will begin to understand that the writer is writing about his life-experience rather than about all men's life-experience. This was how the writer viewed men. It's not how I view men. Why did the writer see men this way, and I don't? Because the writer was describing himself. A number of the reactions were one way of looking at things. Unfortunately for the writer, there are other ways to look at things. Men's actions don't have to be spun negatively at every turn.

The writer is an MRA. What he writes is based upon what he has seen.

A person can assume that all men are lazy, wimp inclined slaves to their sexual desires. On the other hand, they could just as easily understand that men value the family unit, don't react at every negative incident, becasue it's better to support the family unit than look for excuses to put it at risk.

Later in your post, you say that women love their husbands and sons, and would want the best for them. Given this, how would demanding equal treatment put the family unit at risk?

Most men put their foot down when they need to. Most men don't find it necessary to take action every time it may be warranted. They are self-asured, not insecure.

That's part of the problem. They put their foot down when THEY need to, which for them is when THEY face injustice. The time to put your foot down is when others encounter it, so it can be eliminated BEFORE you encounter it.

I don't derive self-esteme from joining groups. I don't particularly find it impressive to see someone go out driving half the nation bat-s--t by constantly talking about the problems they may run into with their anatomical features. I particilarly don't find it admirable that these groups are exclusivley self-absorbed, and not designed to help out even their own chilren of the opposite sex, their fathers, or their husbands, whose incidents of cancer are roughly comparable to their own. And this is never more pronounced, than when I see some young boy being dragged by the hand while mommy helps her fellow girls raise funds to extend their lives, so the life expectency gap can be enlarged between her son and herself.

You have indirectly substantiated the author's point with those comments. I'll leave it to you to figure out how.

Men work hard, play hard, and die too young. At the same time they don't get a charge out of complaining every two seconds about life's inequitable moments. They don't feel the need to obsess about cancer, or other things that may happen to them decades away. They live life. They enjoy life. One day they die.

Play hard? You mean like gunning each other down in the streets? Shooting themselves up with drugs? Flying airplanes into buildings?

Sure men get a raw deal out life (in some ways), out of divorce in some ways, and yet you hear perhaps 1% of the complaining out of them that you do out of the fairer sex. And now men get trashed for that too. Just damn.

Again, you substantiate the author's point. When women fight injustice against them, let's just call it "complaining". Then, men can feel good about refusing to "complain" when their sons are jailed over false assault charges.

Are you saying you wouldn't openly support a guy who was frank enough to raise these issues? Really?

No. I said a lot of men won't, at least not openly.

You'd be surprised how many mothers out there would. They love their husbands, their sons, and their fathers. The informed ones know of the inequities they face. They don't like it.

I wouldn't be surprised, because there are a lot of women who have supported men's rights. Please reread my comments. I didn't say women wouldn't support such politicians, but only that many politicians are afraid they wouldn't. It's men who just might be surprised how many women would support them if they would just make a stand.

11 posted on 03/12/2011 3:56:16 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
The problem with writing those types of comments, is that sooner or later the reader will begin to understand that the writer is writing about his life-experience rather than about all men's life-experience. This was how the writer viewed men. It's not how I view men. Why did the writer see men this way, and I don't? Because the writer was describing himself. A number of the reactions were one way of looking at things. Unfortunately for the writer, there are other ways to look at things. Men's actions don't have to be spun negatively at every turn.

The writer is an MRA. What he writes is based upon what he has seen.

What he writes is his interpretation of what he has seen.  It's HIS conclusion.  Sometimes conclusions are valid, and sometimes they are not.  Conclusions more often than not, are based upon what a person sees as normal.  And here this guy has judged with a very wide brush, what all men are like.

Besides, it doesn't take an MRA to see everything that men do in a negative light.  That comes naturally to some people.  This guy has it down pat.

A person can assume that all men are lazy, wimp inclined slaves to their sexual desires. On the other hand, they could just as easily understand that men value the family unit, don't react at every negative incident, becasue it's better to support the family unit than look for excuses to put it at risk.

Later in your post, you say that women love their husbands and sons, and would want the best for them. Given this, how would demanding equal treatment put the family unit at risk?

Later in my post I stated that many women love their sons, husbands, and fathers, and would want what is best for them.  That doesn't mean all women would.  As for demanding equal treatment, you have misinterpreted my comments to mean that I would never speak up to defend myself.  In my marriage I have done so when necessary.  I don't think it's productive to go looking for trouble, measuring each comment or action by your spouse to be negative, or to take them in the worst possible light.  Being overly defensive is not the route to merital success, or personal success.

Most men put their foot down when they need to. Most men don't find it necessary to take action every time it may be warranted. They are self-asured, not insecure.

That's part of the problem. They put their foot down when THEY need to, which for them is when THEY face injustice. The time to put your foot down is when others encounter it, so it can be eliminated BEFORE you encounter it.

You're assuming that I don't speak out about injustice when I see it.  What gave you that idea?  I address issues with my wife openly and frankly.  If we see something wrong, we talk about it.

Good grief!

I don't derive self-esteme from joining groups. I don't particularly find it impressive to see someone go out driving half the nation bat-s--t by constantly talking about the problems they may run into with their anatomical features. I particilarly don't find it admirable that these groups are exclusivley self-absorbed, and not designed to help out even their own chilren of the opposite sex, their fathers, or their husbands, whose incidents of cancer are roughly comparable to their own. And this is never more pronounced, than when I see some young boy being dragged by the hand while mommy helps her fellow girls raise funds to extend their lives, so the life expectency gap can be enlarged between her son and herself.

You have indirectly substantiated the author's point with those comments. I'll leave it to you to figure out how.

How magnanamous of you.  Cough, cough.  Some people have the need to do the things mentioned in that paragarph, and others don't.  Does every woman find the need to participate in the activities mentioned in that paragraph?  No.  So are you and the author going to cast them as lazy people who deserve what they get in life?  Are you going to cast them as being in vaginal dictated servitude?

The fact that I pegged the boy being dragged around by his hand for precisely what it was, rips your and the author's premise to shreds, not the other way around.

Men work hard, play hard, and die too young. At the same time they don't get a charge out of complaining every two seconds about life's inequitable moments. They don't feel the need to obsess about cancer, or other things that may happen to them decades away. They live life. They enjoy life. One day they die.

Play hard? You mean like gunning each other down in the streets? Shooting themselves up with drugs? Flying airplanes into buildings?

Well, maybe the men you know wind up like that.  Not a single person I know has.  Strangely I'm 59 years old, and I've gone through life not knowing a single person who has gunned somone down, been the victim of being shot, has shot themselves up with drugs, or has flown airplanes into buildings.  Don't you realize that by bringing these issues into this discussion, you are including these in the litany of bad things normal men do?  Wow, this is pretty strange stuff here.  I'll bet you still don't understand what I was talking about, when I referenced the negative spin on men's actions, and here you come up with a list of things only a very small percentage of men engage in.

Sure men get a raw deal out life (in some ways), out of divorce in some ways, and yet you hear perhaps 1% of the complaining out of them that you do out of the fairer sex. And now men get trashed for that too. Just damn.

Again, you substantiate the author's point. When women fight injustice against them, let's just call it "complaining". Then, men can feel good about refusing to "complain" when their sons are jailed over false assault charges.

Where did I state that men should feel good about injustice, or stand by while injustice of this sort takes place?  The author raises the premise that men are sex adicted droids, you seem to agree, and I laugh at the assumption and all of a sudden it is postulated that I think it's okay for men to be jailed over false assault charges.

Where the hell did you come up with that?

As for women being called complainers, I referenced it in the context of going over the top, not in the persuit of seeking reasoned fairness or justice.

Are you saying you wouldn't openly support a guy who was frank enough to raise these issues? Really?

No. I said a lot of men won't, at least not openly.

You really need to start hanging out with a better class of guys.  Once again, I don't know a single guy that would refuse to openly support a person like this.

You'd be surprised how many mothers out there would. They love their husbands, their sons, and their fathers. The informed ones know of the inequities they face. They don't like it.


I wouldn't be surprised, because there are a lot of women who have supported men's rights. Please reread my comments. I didn't say women wouldn't support such politicians, but only that many politicians are afraid they wouldn't. It's men who just might be surprised how many women would support them if they would just make a stand.

I haven't advocated men not take part in supporting men's rights.  I took offense to the idea that men were living in a penis dictated servitude.  I took offense that men were being cast as social rejects because they weren't out there advocating for themselves to the extent women are.  This writer is carrying more baggage than most intenational flights, including carry-ons.  Who needs NOW to put down men, when there are guys around like this one out there?  Negative, negative, negative, and he wants me to believe he's my bud and the champion of men?  Seriously?

This guy may not be the ignoramus he's coming off like here, but his bed-side manor is atrocious.

Nowhere have I said that men should simply allow women to walk all over them.  I have not advocated them allow women to screw them over in divorce.  I have not advocated men allow women to make false charges against them and do nothing.

If a politician is too afraid to address important issues of the day, based on getting votes or not, that is what will cost them my vote, not the other way around.


13 posted on 03/12/2011 5:21:41 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Here's the proof of Obama's U. S. citizenship: " " Good enough for our 3 branches...)
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