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Who Won in Wisconsin?
Townhall.com ^ | March 15, 2011 | Mona Charen

Posted on 03/15/2011 5:48:05 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 03/15/2011 5:48:06 AM PDT by Kaslin
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Like labor leadership was ever going to urge their membership to vote Republican. Give us a break.


2 posted on 03/15/2011 5:50:00 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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CBS/New York Times poll found that 56 percent of those surveyed opposed reducing pay or benefits of public employees in order to balance state budgets, and 60 percent opposed weakening the bargaining rights of public employees.


I find this very hard to believe. Especially in cases where public employees have better pay/benefits than the majority of taxpayers.


3 posted on 03/15/2011 5:51:20 AM PDT by rbg81
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"Republicans have done organized labor a great favor by putting the movement back in (the) labor movement, creating a level of passion and activism for workers' rights that hasn't been seen in generations,"

Sorry, not buying it. People who are winning don't demand to examine payrolls and customer lists for future intimidation.
4 posted on 03/15/2011 5:52:24 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: rbg81

I’m betting this poll was taken in heavily union areas.

The media are really great at skewing a poll to meet their agenda.


5 posted on 03/15/2011 5:53:21 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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voters


6 posted on 03/15/2011 5:54:31 AM PDT by John 3_19-21 (For government to give anyone a benefit they must first take it from someone else.)
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To: cripplecreek

Agree. I just don’t see that the unions won anything. Nor will they win in Ohio. Our reps, who talked to us about two weeks ago, seemed pretty calm yet convicted in insisting that they had to deal with these issues, and there was only one way, break the gubmint unions.


7 posted on 03/15/2011 5:55:04 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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That probably won’t be known for some time. Depends on how the recall efforts do and the elections in 2012 and 2014.


8 posted on 03/15/2011 5:55:18 AM PDT by K-Stater
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Or just making it up out of whole cloth.


9 posted on 03/15/2011 5:56:39 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Kaslin
I predicted several weeks ago that when the brawl was over in Madison, and the collective bargaining privleges were trimmed, the left would still claim "big victory".
10 posted on 03/15/2011 5:59:44 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (I DO NOT BELIEVE THE LIBERAL MEDIA!)
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To: AndyJackson

Rush Limbaugh has always said that you don’t win by losing. The Republicans won Wisconsin, the Democrats, Labor, and their Communist handlers lost.


11 posted on 03/15/2011 6:02:41 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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On December 15, 2010, Rahm Emanuel met privately with Chicago’s labor union leaders:

“The sticking issue for all of us is the pension issue,’said a labor activist who attended the meeting with Mr. Emanuel. ‘ can’t tell my members we are going to support a guy who is going to cut your pensions.’ The labor leader and others who attended the meeting said they did not want to be identified for fear that Mr. Emanuel would retaliate if he were elected.”

Emanuel informs union leaders of intention to cut pensions, not just for new hires..so they kept their members in the dark.

Feb 22, 2011 ... Rahm Emanuel declared victory in the Chicago mayor's race

My Illinois friend remarked: "Rahm knows where the bodies are buried."[an expression]

12 posted on 03/15/2011 6:02:56 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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A couple weeks ago we stripped the unions of between 16 and 20 thousand forced members here in Michigan. The teachers are screaming about being treated like slaves. The strategy of coercion and threats is being ramped up.

They’re “winning” like Charlie Sheen.


13 posted on 03/15/2011 6:03:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Kaslin

With the LSM it will be hard for the GOP to get out the correct message. We must keep working hard to get the truth and the fact out there. The libtards own the media.


14 posted on 03/15/2011 6:04:31 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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The key to the public union demise is giving state government employees the right to opt out of automatic union dues collection.

I’m betting that given a choice, at least half will opt out.


15 posted on 03/15/2011 6:10:22 AM PDT by MNnice
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The Tea Party and the people who voted in November won.


16 posted on 03/15/2011 6:10:53 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Carter 2.0 The Epic Fail Edition)
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To: rbg81

meanwhile the latest generic ballot results show Republicans with a 46% to 37% lead over Democrats.

That’s all that matters, we are WINNING!


17 posted on 03/15/2011 6:13:08 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Carter 2.0 The Epic Fail Edition)
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“Republicans have done organized labor a great favor by putting the movement back in (the) labor movement, creating a level of passion and activism for workers’ rights that hasn’t been seen in generations,” crowed Democratic strategist Mike Lux.

Republicans didn’t do it. The labor movement and the Democrat party created a situation that almost ended in riots, and almost created a Constututional crisis, all over a change in law that put WI public unions on the same playing field as federal employees and numerous other states. This was completely and purposely orchestrated by people wanting Obama re-elected.


18 posted on 03/15/2011 6:16:00 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: rbg81

they need to poll on the question “Are you willing to have your taxes raised in order to maintain current levels of pay and benefits for public employees?”


19 posted on 03/15/2011 6:16:51 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: fight_truth_decay

Even Democrat governors and legislatures smell the coffee. There’s no way underwater states (of which IL is one of those in the worst shape) can balance their budgets without renegotiating the public workers’ contracts. To do anything else would just be nibbling around the edges.

Negating the collective bargaining privileges is key to the process because it takes away the power of unions to buy off sympathetic politicians who will give them everything they want-taxpayers be damned.

The polls that show support for unions are the result of how little people know about where the big pieces of pie are in the local, state and federal budgets and a fundamental misunderstanding of what collective bargaining is.

Wisconsin brought this whole issue to the forefront and it was very instructive to many. More battles such as that will help inform the public. Walker was quite articulate in making his points.


20 posted on 03/15/2011 6:17:26 AM PDT by randita
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