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To: DoughtyOne

You make me laugh, several times.

From whom are you(American soldiers overseas) trying to save? Did Chinese military force ever step onto Japanese islands, even if we(Chinese) were fighting ww2 with them(Japanese) back then? Did you set military bases in those countries out of their safety concern, or for your own military purpose? God knows, and you know it too.

Yes, you did make contribution to world peace in recent history. We thank you for that. But you also triggered wars. Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. Does this list ring a bell to you? And pleaaaaaaase, don’t tell me that you do those things for their safety, freedom, human rights, and blah blah blah. I’m not gonna buy it.

And what makes you think that I agree with Chinese leaders’ logic that we possess Taiwan? Did I retort your statements regarding the relationship between mainland China and Taiwan in this thread? You are a mindreader or something? If you are, then I am not paying ya, because you had the wrong reading.

PS: word of advice, next time you run into an everyday Chinese, ask them if they are on Chinese government’s side on Taiwan issue first, before pouring your hatred and disgust on them.


20 posted on 03/26/2011 12:11:18 AM PDT by Phoebe From China (I believe we've arrived at another quintessential "Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock" moment.)
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To: Phoebe From China
You make me laugh, several times.

That's okay...


From whom are you(American soldiers overseas) trying to save? Did Chinese military force ever step onto Japanese islands, even if we (Chinese) were fighting ww2 with them (Japanese) back then? Did you set military bases in those countries out of their safety concern, or for your own military purpose? God knows, and you know it too.

The United States placed troops in Japan at the end of World War II.  At first it was part of the occupation, but later on it became reasoned to have our troops there so that Japan would have no need to rebuild it's military, and wouldn't be tempted to threaten the region again.  China was actually a beneficiary of that policy.  It's sad you don't know this.

During the cold war, which ramped up following WWII, the United States kept troops in Germany and Japan as a reaction to the military threat Russia represented.  Russia gobbled up Eastern Europe.  It clearly had intentions in Western Europe too, using it's underground in an attempt to bring communism to that region.

As for China occupying Japan, no it didn't.  Did it pour it's troops into North Korea?  Yes.  The United States left a base in South Korea near the DMZ, to discourage North Korea or China from getting the idea they could turn the Korean War hot again.  Are you aware that North Korea still considers itself in a state of war with the South?  What choice did the West have, but to keep troops there to prevent agression by the North.

Yes, you did make contribution to world peace in recent history. We thank you for that.

Yeah, I've got to say I'm really impressed with your thanks after your previous comments.

But you also triggered wars. Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. Does this list ring a bell to you?

Kosovo:  I was against Kosovo, but there was reason behind the actions there.  The United States didn't conduct it's actions there in a vacuum.  The nations of Europe were unified behind the activities of the United States there.  Although I was against getting involved, and am not enthusiastic about the political map after the military campaign there, the fact is, that region is stable today, people not being slaughtered in mass.  Does that really bother you?  Did the United States occupy the region and claim the territory as it's own?  No.

Iraq:  Saddam Hussein was responsible for upwards of one million people's deaths. He had attacked no less than four different nations.  He had used chemical weapons on the Kurds, in his own nation.  His sons were brutal killers.  They were well known for doing things like killing anyone who crossed them, and singleing out husbands for destruction, then exploiting their wives.  On one such instance it is well documented that they put the husband in a wood-chipper feet first.  Saddam attacked Iran.  It is estimated that upwards of 500,000 people died on each side during the Iraq/Iran war.  Hussein is also suspected of killing upwards of 300,000 of his own people duirng various purges.  Mass graves were found in numerous areas of Iraq.  At various times he attacked, Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Israel.  He was constantly saying things in public that led world leaders to think he was developing devistating weapons.  He was constantly making comments supportive of terrorist activity.  He was paying the families of suicide bombers $25,000.00.  Al Qaeda was operating in Iraq.  Take a look at what took place during the Iraq War.  Terrorists were blowing up public places on a regular basis for years.  These attacks killed thousands of private citizens in the nation.  After 09/11, the United States decided to clean up Iraq.  Are you unhappy the U. S. brought an end to this?  Are the people of Iraq better off today or not?  Of course they are.  Did the United States claim any part of Iraq as it's own?  No.

Libya:  I am against U. S. actions in Libya.  Despite this, Khadaffi is slaughtering his own people with airstrikes, tanks, other military vehicles.  The United States is not acting alone.  The United Nations and NATO have each found it necessary to intervene in Libya.  When the vote was taken, China abstained.  Look, Khadaffi has directed terrorist activity in the region, in Europe, and against United States aircraft.  He has been pushing his luck for decades.  For taking down that Pan Am plane alone, he should have been destroyed.  Will the United States occupy Libya, and claim the territory for itself?  No.  Is the U. S. taking action in Libya for it's own self-interest?  Actually, it isn't.  We don't know what government will spring forth after we help the rebels.  It will likely be just as anti-U.S. as Khadaffi's regime was.  So you tell me, is this for the Libyan people's safety or not?  That may be blah blah blah to you, but I'm thinking the Libyan people who have begged the Western World to intervene, don't share your light-hearted banter about this.

Afghanistan:  This is still a work in progress.  The Taliban are an integral part of the nation.  Unfortunately they are also present a significant terrorist threat globally.  They and Al Qaeda have carried out terrorist operations in a number of nations.  The United States had no choice but to try to address the problems with the Taliban.  The United States didn't just attack Iraq and Afghanistan out of the blue.  The United States was attacked in it's largest city.  Three thousand people were killed, and billions of dollars worth of infrastructure destoryed.  You've got a fish-eye lense view of the world if you don't know the reasons for U. S. actvity in Afghanistan.

And pleaaaaaaase, don’t tell me that you do those things for their safety, freedom, human rights, and blah blah blah. I’m not gonna buy it.

I don't really care if you buy it or not.  Are people safer in Kosovo today or not?  Are people safter today in Iraq or not?  Are the people of Libya safer today or not?  The fact is, they are all safer.  If you wish to think that isn't so, I can't stop you.

And what makes you think that I agree with Chinese leaders’ logic that we possess Taiwan?

I don't know you.  For all I know you are working out of a communist central committee office.  I am responding to you as a person, with that in mind.  I'm not sure that I said you were in favor of taking back Taiwan.  I haven't been on the thread in a week or so, and I don't remember everything I said.  Most of my comments have been geared to addressing the government's idiotic policies.  For instance, why is the government of China building up it's military?  Is it under threat of invasion?  Has any nation whatsoever said that it has intent on one square inch of China?  None the less China is intent on building up a military force that can only be viewed as exherting it's influence globally, by military means.  Why?  That's why the rest of the nations on planet earth view China with concern today.

Did I retort your statements regarding the relationship between mainland China and Taiwan in this thread? You are a mindreader or something? If you are, then I am not paying ya, because you had the wrong reading.

Once again, I have no way of knowing if you are writing this as a private citizen or someone working for the government of China.  My comments were drafted with this in mind.  I have tried to direct my comments as if to the government, without taking you personally or the people of China to task.

PS: word of advice, next time you run into an everyday Chinese, ask them if they are on Chinese government’s side on Taiwan issue first, before pouring your hatred and disgust on them.


Nowhere in my comments here have I expressed any dislike for you whatsoever.  Likewise, I haven't said anything to convey a dislike for the Chinese people either.  I see these as two separate entities, the government and the people, even though I could assign a lot more weight to willing communist party members, who champion everything the government does.  I have chosen not to get into that.

Saying that I hate what happened in Tiananmin Square is not an expression of hatred for the Chinese people.  Saying that I don't like what China's leadership is doing with regard to Taiwan and it's military build-up is not an expression of dislike for the Chinese people.

Frankly, having watched the government of China, there's quite a bit to be disgusted with.  We can start with the fact that there is a shortage of women available to the young men who outnumber them significantly.  I'll bet you think that's an expression of hatred for the Chinese people too.

21 posted on 03/26/2011 7:40:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (The only thing higher than Obama's chin, is his ass facing West five times a day.)
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