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Gun Walking: WTF is going on at the BATFE?
Human Events ^ | 03/17/2011 | John Hayward

Posted on 03/17/2011 1:07:13 PM PDT by Voice of Reason88

Project Gun Walker, also known by the case name “Fast and Furious” and “Operation Gunrunner,” was a plan in which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives would deliberately allow guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels, in order to “see where all the guns ended up, build a big case, and take down a cartel,” as whistleblower agent John Dodson explained to CBS News.

Exactly how was this boneheaded plan supposed to work, anyway? It doesn’t seem as if those guns were implanted with any sort of tracking device, and you’d need the starship Enterprise to track the position of thousands of weapons over long distances.

Writing at the St. Louis Examiner, gun rights advocate and blogger Kurt Hofmann questions “the BATFE / Department of Justice spin that this was a perhaps ill-considered, but still honorably intended, effort to bring down at least one major Mexican drug syndicate,” and suggests a more straightforward purpose for the seemingly incomprehensible Gun Walker operation was to “pad the statistics about Mexican ‘crime guns’ coming from the U.S. civilian market.” This would “strengthen the BATFE’s argument for more funding and power… and gun control advocates’ calls for more restrictive gun laws.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; batfe; gunrunner; gunwalker; projectgunwalker

1 posted on 03/17/2011 1:07:15 PM PDT by Voice of Reason88
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To: Voice of Reason88
Project Gun Walker, also known by the case name “Fast and Furious” and “Operation Gunrunner,” was a plan in which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives would deliberately allow guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels, in order to “see where all the guns ended up, build a big case, and take down a cartel,”

Actually it was a deliberate act to allow guns into the hands of the cartels in order for the BATF to blame US gun shops. And declare war in gun sales, gun owners and the 2 A altogether, anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot...

2 posted on 03/17/2011 1:13:24 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: Voice of Reason88

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms. Waco alert! Burn all toddlers first police. Also caught red handed selling guns to the Mexican cartels!


3 posted on 03/17/2011 1:13:38 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
The whole Gunwalker mess does make it quite apparent that some of today's biggest lawbreakers are wearing federal badges. Nothing new, really.

A sign that one's society has an illness.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

4 posted on 03/17/2011 1:16:41 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Voice of Reason88
"... “see where all the guns ended up, build a big case, and take down a cartel,”

You mean, BATFE was concocting an operation to basically conquer all of Mexico?

The narco-corruption goes from top to bottom in Mexico, from the lowest border-crossing peon with a gunny sack full of black tar heroin strapped to her back all the way up to El Presidente of Mexico and all his army generals. Everybody else gets their heads sawn off and tossed in the street.

Who in the hell did BATFE think they were going to serve an arrest warrant on down in Mexico, and under what authority?

Disband the BATFE. Reduce them to a minor bureau in the US Treasury and tell them to shut up and do nothing but licking tax stamps and slapping them on the caps of booze bottles.

5 posted on 03/17/2011 1:18:19 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

You only have to look at the results to come to the conclusion that it was always about our right of self-defense.

There seems to be a lot more activity in trying to use this issue to take out the 2nd amendment than to take out the cartels.


6 posted on 03/17/2011 1:22:09 PM PDT by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Someone had some interesting speculation on one of the other sites out there.

They were speculating as to whether this type of gunwalking could have taken place in the southeastern states and Tucson in particular.

It was sort of along the lines of why wait for a crisis when you can create one?


7 posted on 03/17/2011 1:27:22 PM PDT by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: Voice of Reason88

Welcome to the party, Mr. Hayward!


8 posted on 03/17/2011 1:31:04 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

That is my guess too.

They wanted to find as many U.S. guns as possible in Mexico even if they had to provide them, or at least encourage their “walking” into Mexico.


9 posted on 03/17/2011 1:34:32 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Voice of Reason88
“pad the statistics about Mexican ‘crime guns’ coming from the U.S. civilian market.” This would “strengthen the BATFE’s argument for more funding and power… and gun control advocates’ calls for more restrictive gun laws.”

BINGO!. If they haven't been able to 'bring the cartel down' for drugs, how were they going to do it for guns?

10 posted on 03/17/2011 1:36:55 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Voice of Reason88
Why is it whenever the BATF's budget is up for debate Americans wind up being shot? Whether it was Operation Showtime ending up with the Waco massacre or this current farce, the bullets start flying when it is time to show how vital the BATF is.
11 posted on 03/17/2011 1:49:42 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Washington is finally rid of the Kennedies. Free at last, thank God almighty we are free at last.)
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To: Voice of Reason88
Exactly how was this boneheaded plan supposed to work, anyway?

"Boneheaded"?

Evil is more like it.

Facilitating the smuggling of weapons into Mexico to manufacture evidence which would be used by THE REGIME to bolster its case to re-enact some kind of assault weapons ban is much worse than boneheaded.

Helping to get innocent people killed to push an agenda aimed at depriving American citizens of 2nd Amendment rights is much worse than boneheaded.

12 posted on 03/17/2011 1:50:28 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Joe Brower

Be Ever Vigilant!


13 posted on 03/17/2011 2:05:59 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Actually it was a deliberate act to allow guns into the hands of the cartels in order for the BATF to blame US gun shops. And declare war in gun sales, gun owners and the 2 A altogether, anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot...

That's commonly know as a conspiracy to viloate our civil rights under color of law...punishible by incarceration, (preferably in a Mexican prison)

14 posted on 03/17/2011 2:09:42 PM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: Voice of Reason88

“....and you’d need the starship Enterprise to track the position of thousands of weapons over long distances.”

“Unintended consequences” are usually caused by voids in the brains of morons, idiots, or Liberals....redundant I guess, but seems to be a common thread in the fabric of this administrations binding.

Whom once were the Jesters of the court are now the court.


15 posted on 03/17/2011 2:13:32 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: SIDENET

“Boneheaded” in the sense that as cover story and to why they were doing this, it did not pass the smell test.

If they had intercepted the guns before they could be used by the cartels and made some arrests, then maybe the story might have been ‘believable’.

In addition, of course if the administration weren’t using this as a way to try and destroy the 2nd amendment that would have lent some credibility to the cover story as well.

However, we all know at least the circumstantial facts surrounding this case and we can make up our own minds.

When you start out with a lie - The 90% lie - you shouldn’t expect people to believe what else you say on the subject.


16 posted on 03/17/2011 2:17:37 PM PDT by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: Voice of Reason88

Mexican cartels making payoffs to the highest levels in our government and with this incident it was exposed.


17 posted on 03/17/2011 3:51:21 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: SIDENET
Helping to get innocent people killed to push an agenda aimed at depriving American citizens of 2nd Amendment rights is much worse than boneheaded.

Some might say seditious.

18 posted on 03/17/2011 3:56:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: ViLaLuz

Sorta like Bush Sr. looking the other way as the cia flew cocaine into Mena. ATF was investigating this when OK’s Murrah blew up. Corruption stops at the water’s edge, and both sides hold the threat of blackmail, keeping the whole scam just humming along.


19 posted on 03/17/2011 4:12:38 PM PDT by glock rocks (I am Dyslexis of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.)
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To: Voice of Reason88

I’m sorry but the BATFE explanation of “we’ll give the cartels guns to make them vulnerable for prosecution” reminds me of the old saying... “F#$king for virginity”.

I’m rather insulted that DOJ, the White House and ATF leadership thinks that we, the general public, are that stupid to believe that line.


20 posted on 03/17/2011 6:29:14 PM PDT by BCR #226 (07/02 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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