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To: Zhang Fei

Where do you see the libyians expressing this? Why are you putting them in that worst type of senario?


38 posted on 03/17/2011 10:11:48 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

I think Hillary’s recent comments say it all. (1) Ground support will be required with a no fly zone. (2) She’s done in 2012.


41 posted on 03/17/2011 10:35:08 PM PDT by ExxonPatrolUs (Gov The People, Buy The People, Bore The People.)
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To: fabian
Where do you see the libyians expressing this? Why are you putting them in that worst type of senario?

It seems to me that to justify assisting them, you'd want to be sure that they are better for our interests than Gaddafi would be. Rubin Reports on democracy's record in the Middle Eastern states:

Remember the Iranian revolution (in 1979) when all sorts of people poured out into the streets to demand freedom? Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is now president.

Remember the Beirut spring when people poured out into the streets to demand freedom? Hizballah is now running Lebanon.

Remember the Palestinians having free elections? Hamas is now running the Gaza Strip.

Remember democracy in Algeria? Tens of thousands of people were killed in the ensuing civil war.

It doesn't have to be that way but precedents are pretty daunting.

What did Egyptians tell the Pew poll recently when asked whether they liked "modernizers" or "Islamists"? Islamists: 59%; Modernizers: 27%. Now maybe they will vote for a Westernized guy in a suit who promises a liberal democracy but do you want to bet the Middle East on it?


44 posted on 03/17/2011 10:49:49 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: fabian

Because it makes historical, sociological and political sense.

Are you familiar with the histories of revolutions and Islam?


48 posted on 03/18/2011 4:24:05 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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