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Workers pulled at Japan nuke plant as smoke rises
AP/YahooNews ^ | 3/21/11 | ERIC TALMADGE and MARI YAMAGUCHI

Posted on 03/21/2011 2:07:54 AM PDT by Kartographer

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To: gunsequalfreedom
Don’t talk about people being irrational when you are so purposely distorting the risks of nuclear power.

What distortion? Coal power plants do release more radiation and radioactive material than nuclear power plants. The spill of a fly ash slurry pond at the Kingston plant in Roane County, Tennessee released about 1.5 tons worth of uranium into the watershed, for example, and coal plants routinely emit radioactive materials during normal operation.

As more and more people buy their own Geiger counters in the wake of this situation, this dirty little secret will start to get out.

21 posted on 03/21/2011 3:19:06 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel
I wonder how much useful work in restoring food, water, and shelter could have been done in the time spent on the hysterical scanning of nearly 20,000 people to no meaningful benefit?

That's a really great question. Between the Japanese trying to save face while trying to save their people from two simultaneous catastrophes, and the media absolutely whoring themselves for as much abusive reporting as they could get away with - and completely ignoring getting the necessary facts out to the right people - it is a wonder anybody was recovered or anything was put to rights at all.

Post-catastrophe Japan is a catastrophe. The humans are at fault.

22 posted on 03/21/2011 3:22:41 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: mvpel
"They scanned 19,000 people and found 38 with “higher than average,” but non-hazardous, levels of radiation - 2/10ths of one percent. I wonder how much useful work in restoring food, water, and shelter could have been done in the time spent on the hysterical scanning of nearly 20,000 people to no meaningful benefit?"
The "non-hazardous level of radiation" is likely misleading to a lot of people, because they are probably talking about the equivalent gamma ray dosage the affected people would receive from being contaminated with low-level radioactive contamination. While the equivalent rad exposure from being contaminated can be low, actually ingesting or inhaling radioactive particles can produce significantly higher cumulative exposure over time. Stuff like beta or alpha radiation which is hardmless when it is a particle stuck to your skin, but can be very dangerous if it is embedded in your lungs or other tissues and is irradiating those tissues continuously over years. This is why there was a need to scan these people and properly decontaminate them.
23 posted on 03/21/2011 3:25:36 AM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: mvpel

Come on, be serious. You know the discussion is about plant failure. This is supposed to be a place for serious discussion


24 posted on 03/21/2011 3:39:16 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Kartographer

This is far from resolved.


25 posted on 03/21/2011 3:40:05 AM PDT by Defend Liberty
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To: paulycy

The point most fail to appreciate is reactor #3 is fueled with 7% Pu-239 which is far more dangerous than U-235. The good news is its half life is only 24,000 years vice U-235’s 700 million.


26 posted on 03/21/2011 3:44:20 AM PDT by Justa
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To: F15Eagle

It started to look like a lost cause to me when they were fighting it with water dropping helicopters as if it were a forrst fire. Now wait a minute, does a forest emit more radiation than a nuclear powet plant? Maybr I am being irrational here.


27 posted on 03/21/2011 3:44:21 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Justa
The good news is its half life is only 24,000 years vice U-235’s 700 million.

♫ "Always look on the bright side of life!" ♫

28 posted on 03/21/2011 3:47:48 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: tsowellfan

No, again you misrepresent the debate. And your resorting to ad hominem attack is no support for your position either.


29 posted on 03/21/2011 3:49:35 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

You’re not a skeptic. You’re also not very well informed.


30 posted on 03/21/2011 3:56:43 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: JadeEmperor

The TMI comparison some people on here want to use shows where the distortions are coming from. Your points in comparison between TMI and Japan were good. I dont see in some of the posters on here the level of objectivity they claim to have or needed to address this issue srripusly. Cheerleading seems to be the ordet of the day for some.


32 posted on 03/21/2011 4:00:32 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
And your resorting to ad hominem attack is no support for your position either.

Neither is spelling so bad that I can't understand your sentence.

But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree since I have no idea what position of mine you're even talking about.

33 posted on 03/21/2011 4:04:02 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: meatloaf

“I’m not sure what it is about nuclear power that makes people irrational.”

It can all be traced back to Public Schools,the press, Hollywood,and poor parents distorting the facts. Oh, and Godzilla.


34 posted on 03/21/2011 4:04:16 AM PDT by Leep
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To: gunsequalfreedom
They were also using a water cannon/s. Without electricity and the ability to run pumps, any method that gets water into the spent fuel pools is expedient. It shows someone has a plan.
35 posted on 03/21/2011 4:09:41 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: meatloaf
It shows how desperate the situation is. That statement was made my nuclear regulatory officials when they were trying to pump sea water into the spent rod pools.

You are really sugar coating the present situation in Japan. I would say diving into the ridiculous does your argument more harm that good.

36 posted on 03/21/2011 4:13:15 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: meatloaf
It is irrational when you cannot appreciate the comparision to the radiation encountered in everyday life to the radiation emitted by a nuclear power plant.

If we are going to have a meaningful discussion we need to be talking from the same starting point. Let me finish your sentence to see if we can get there.

It is irrational when you cannot appreciate the comparision to the radiation encountered in everyday life to the radiation emitted by a nuclear power plant that has experienced a significant failure like the one happening in Japan.

I believe you know that is the discussion at hand and are purposely trying to distort the discussion. I do not want to draw the other possible conclusion because I have come to know people on here as being pretty smart.

37 posted on 03/21/2011 4:19:36 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: tsowellfan
Neither is spelling so bad that I can't understand your sentence.

Give me a break. I'm typing on a smart phone with a 2 inch screen at 4 a.m. in the morning. I'd be using my regular computer but I forgot to bring it with me into my fallout shelter.

38 posted on 03/21/2011 4:22:24 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Kartographer

pic of the smoke this morning....

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/zoom/20110321-OYT9I00522.htm


39 posted on 03/21/2011 4:37:24 AM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: paulycy
It seems like there will be an uninhabitable circle 100 miles in diameter around those plants.

You should look at the size of the area around Chernobyl and reconsider.

40 posted on 03/21/2011 5:07:13 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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