[Huck]

Of course, Iraq and Afghanistan both fail by the same criteria.

[JSDude1]

I have kind of turned against Afghanistan (our mission), because there is nothing strategic there for us to hold.

However we WERE winning in Iraq when Bush left office.

[Jim Noble]

Of course, Iraq and Afghanistan both fail by the same criteria.

You betcha.

Both disasters, Ghani less so only because of limited commitment - although, the option of walking over the bridge to Termez not being available, the end could be a real mess.